Hugely enjoyable chat with @James1940 and @almurray on @WeHaveWaysPod today. Lots of chat about some of my favourite subjects - we were going to talk about Coastal Forces but almost immediately got side-tracked by landing Craft and D-Day! play.acast.com/s/wehaveways/2…
As some of you know my archaeological speciality is concrete, which sounds easy (or dull) but is really quite fascinating. To listen to two concrete specialists nerds) discussing WWII concrete, check out this @CITiZAN1 discussion with @ckolonko and myself.
The number of vessels involved is phenomenal. Some 7,000 vessels of all types were involved, although the exact number varies according to source (Official History on left, Admiralty Staff History on right). These are assigned numbers: I'm working on the exact number that sailed.
Getting crews onto landing craft meant luring them away from destroyers and Coastal Forces. Forces magazines included articles designed to draw more men into the service, including an alternative route to commissioning as an officer.
Most people know Peter Bull best from his appearance in Dr Strangelove, or perhaps The African Queen. He met Alec Guinness during his officer training and commanded landing craft in during the war, principally in the Med.
His memoir is brilliant, I highly recommend it whether you like landing craft or not. Despite his modesty and frequent allusions to the absurdity of his appointment as a Lt-Cdr in charge of a flotilla, Bull was clearly a competent and successful commander. He was awarded the DSC.
Most training for landing craft crews in Combined Operation took place in the Firth of Clyde. Some memoirs talk more about the weather and cold accommodation than anything else! 📷IWM A 29923
I rather cut James off when he mentioned Landing Craft Obstacle Clearance Units (apologies James), but as some of you know, I have a bit of thing about this popular D-Day myth.
The people most known for their D-Day planning are the commanders, but behind the scenes, from admirals and generals down to ratings and privates, an army of men were involved in the planning and prep. This brief memoir gives some idea of the complexity of their task.
The officer who's name I couldn't remember was Rear Admiral Parry, who commanded HMS Achillies at the Battle of the River Plate. He commanded Force L, the task force to which #LCT7074 was assigned for D-Day. gettyimages.fi/detail/news-ph…
There's oodles of paper work on the preparation of Landing Tables for D-Day. The eventual form they took isn't easy to understand at first, but each Landing Table Index Number relates to a single vessel's load. These are AVRE loads for Force J.
Amendments! The basic orders issued to vessel commanders in Force S amounted to over 153 pages. They were issued with 8 pages of amendments like those below.
Alongside typos were fairly major changes to the timetable, so they had to be carefully checked. Appendix I was the ENTIRE embarkation timetable, so this tiny detail was vital to making sure everyone went to their embarkation berths on time.
Visit today and Sword Beach looks like an endless sandy shore perfect for landing. But it was stuck between the offshore shoals (Roches de Lion) to the west and well fortified Ouistreham to the east. This narrowed the landing area to Queen White & Red, only 1 mile wide.
Combined Operations constantly sought lessons from its operations. All the landing craft reports from D-Day feature recommendation, from very junior levels right up to admirals. Here's the recommendations page from the senior navigating officer, Force G. One is emphasised...
Lt Colonel Reeves landed on D-Day purely to make observations on the armour and beach defences. He landed only 2 hours after the first infantry, while the beach was still under fire. Then he wandered around taking photos and notes for the day.
One thing planners did learn from Dieppe was the practicalities of embarking men and vehicles. The first embarkation hards to be used operationally were the newly completed group at Stokes Bay.
The Trout Lines was just east of Sword. While landing craft were berthed on the line, roaming frigates and MTBs sailed around the flanks seeking out enemy vessels.
If you want to learn more about MTBs at Normandy, I could modestly recommend this little tome I wrote... amazon.co.uk/Motor-Gun-Boat…
Landing craft losses over the three month Battle of Seine Bay run into 4 pages...
I sound like I'm making a political comment at the end which wasn't my intention (sorry Al!). My point was meant to be that D-Day was the culmination of 4 years of planning, which began the moment we evacuated France. It couldn't have happened any earlier and succeeded as it did.
Anyway, I hope everyone enjoyed the podcast, as I certainly did. Cheers @WeHaveWaysPod team and @James1940 and @almurray, I look forward to telling you about Coastal Forces!
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#OTD in 1945, Operation Sankey, an amphibious landing on the small island of Cheduba in Burma (now Munaung in Myanmar) took place. It is notable for using an otherwise little known landing craft - the unlikely looking Landing Craft Personnel (Medium) or LCP (M). 📷IWM A27467
Sankey was support for Operation Matador, the landing on the neighbouring island of Ramree that had gone ahead on 21 January. Fighting on Ramree would last for 5 weeks, but Sankey would prove to be a much quicker operation. 📷Google.
Matador was well supported, using Landing Craft Assault, Landing Craft Mechanised and even one of these, the Australian Landing Craft (or ALC) 120. This is the only photo I've seen of one of these. A rare beast. 📷IWM SE 2247
As we're back in lockdown, here's a chart for you all. Think you know your Normandy beaches? There were far more important names out at sea.
In answer to some of the questions I've been asked, I compiled this from four separate charts, contained in the Admiralty staff history and the navigation orders issued to #LCT7074. The zones are areas of navigation, patrol and exclusion. Scallops for example, was a minefield.
Mason was a patrol line for PT boats. Mountain was an area where RN MTBs had free reign and any other vessels found in it were expected to be hostile (until the Cotentin Peninsula was liberated of course). #MGB81 is possibly returning from Mountain in this photo. 📷IWM A24047
The holidays give me time to add a little more to the Pont du Hoc threads from earlier this year. Having covered the embarkation and what was meant to happen, it seems only right to look at what eventually transpired. 📷Normandy Tourism / S. Guichard
For info, the embarkation is covered here and includes the details of who embarked on what Landing Craft Assault (LCA) of the Royal Navy.
What should have happened is covered here. It’s worth familiarising yourself with this so you can see the differences in how it unfolded. I’ll use video from IWM ADM 206 again in this thread, but do bear in mind it’s not the real thing.
A bit of weekend #EmbarkingtheDDayArmada goodness for you today, with a dip into the Western Task Force embarkation at Weymouth – specifically the US Army Rangers. This is quite a long one and I won’t do it all at once, but I hope it’ll be of interest.
These pictures of the men embarking at Weymouth are well known, but the detail of exactly what they show is often lacking. It can be quite hard to identify specific Ranger units in the crowd, but it’s much easier to identify the landing craft and sort these images out.
A quick bit of background. Both the 2nd and 5th Ranger battalions were assigned to Force O and Omaha beach, organised into 3 task forces. Their overall mission was to secure the guns at Point du Hoc and the radar station at Pointe de la Percee.
It's disappointing to see the success of #LCT7074's move used to air a grievance with a museum. It's more disappointing when that grievance is based on #duffhistory.
It's time to stop this myth: Secret frogmen didn't land on the Normandy beaches hours ahead of the invasion. 1/11
10 Landing Craft Obstacle Clearance Units (LCOCU) were at Normandy – 4 at Juno, 4 at Gold, 2 at Sword. Their role was to clear underwater obstacles & obstructions so landing craft could reach the beach. But they did it after the leading waves had touched down. 📷IWM A28997. 2/11
The first D-Day landings were planned to be just after low tide, when obstacles were exposed. Behind them came the LCOCU and Royal Engineer units. As the tide came in, LCOCU would work on obstacles as they were immersed, whilst the RE would work on the beach. 📷IWM A 23993. 3/11
I've been asked a few times (both on social media and in person) about #LCT7074's eclectic markings, so here are a few details to help make sense of it all. 1/7
The H in front of her pennant on the bow is her squadron, and the 17 is her flotilla. These were only on the bow, not the stern. The size of the pennant conforms to Confidential Admiralty Fleet Orders 2189/43 & helpfully the outline was engraved into the hull by the builders. 2/7
The yellow band around the bridge is the force identifier for Force L, the immediate follow up wave that landed at Sword, Juno and Gold beaches (7074 went to Gold). This has raised quite a few eyebrows I know, because a lot of people expected it to be red... 3/7