Thread by @QOrigins

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic I will say, @eriksmithcomedy was in fact in a long thread arguing our side of it a couple days ago.

So... lemme see if I can lay this out briefly, with the understanding that it's not complete and also I suck at being brief. 😃

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic What I am looking for -- and I suspect what everyone else is looking for, but IDK if they'd describe it in both terms -- is evidence that is highly relevant *and* highly reliable.

I don't really have a formal procedure where I, like, GRADE pieces of evidence on both points.

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic But if I did, the evidence that would score highest is always going to be the canonical Q drops: they are 100% relevant to the QAnon movement and they are... not 100% reliable (in that they're missing, so far, 11 lost drops and also the information in them ISN'T TRUE, duh).

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic But still, maxing out on relevance will take you far.

Just below that I would put responses by anons and normies who were encountering Q at around the same time elsewhere on the Internet. Here we are capturing HIGHLY relevant information that we know is from the right period.

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic Oh my God I am bad at short answers. Let me try to cut to the chase:

Here's a long interview with the originator of the Thomas Schoenberger theory, conducted 5/24/19. He was excited because he'd just discovered, according to him, proof of his thesis.

therealsamizdat.com/2019/08/12/cic…

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic It briefly outlines their professional background (they apparently worked together on Cicado 3301); the acrimonious end of the 3301 project; and then it dives in.

Take a look at how Arturo presents the claim: a jumbled mass involving Jerome Corsi and a video called 'A858.'

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic Then:

Trujillo: “I looked at it, it did not make sense to me.” [01:01]

Tafoyovsky: “I recently baited Thomas and he sent me an email mocking me, saying “bye bye,” that he got me kicked out of Twitter, or that I gave up? That was the first thing that tied up so many things.”

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic Why do I quote this at such goddamn length? First, bc it's how I roll. Second, because this is EVERYONE'S first experience with the Thomas Schoenberger claim: what the hell is this thing that you are showing me? It doesn't make sense. I don't understand it.

Third...

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic note that our source, Arturo, is already involved in a long-running feud with Schoenberger that's personal enough that he said, "I baited Thomas and he sent me an email mocking me..." which, he claims, was the lightbulb moment.

Let's grade this for reliability:

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic it's too early to tell (you'd need to read the whole thing and laboriously fact-check it, to the extent that you are able), but there's DEFINITELY a hard cap on how reliable you'll find a source if they're in a years-long feud with whoever they're snitching on.

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic How about relevance? Well, we haven't gotten, really, to the parts where Arturo tries to back up his claims yet.

But he starts off by saying there's a nebulous connection between Schoenberger and Jerome Corsi (the interviewer is as confused by this as I am), then...

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic "Tafoyovsky: “And the fact that he infiltrated Jerome Corsi, and the thing is that Corsi offered that service of attaching people to that email… so it is kind of like a repeated scheme that Thomas does… he just leaves footprints everywhere… and also—”

Trujillo: “—Everywhere—”

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic Tafoyovsky: “—patterns that he cannot escape from. Maybe this can answer your question better. I made the connection because when I searched the email that Thomas sent me, an A858 email, [10:09] I searched it, it sent me to the Pi.Mobi puzzle.”

Incoherent, yes?

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic This seems to be something Schoenberger created, and let's accept for the moment that it is. But you can see already the EXTREME difficulty of following Arturo's logic and evidence, right?

The interview goes on:

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic Tafoyovsky: “That was Thomas’s original puzzle. It showed me results of Defango talking about the leaked emails between Q and Jerome Corsi.”

Trujillo: “Where are those leaked emails? Who has them?” [10:39]

This is the key question! And 4chan troll Defango is the custodian:

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic "Tafoyovsky: “Well, Defango put out a Pastebin. With links. Probably, you can say that it is decently documented. [10:56]. I can send it to you if you want.”

He did so, and so here it is:

pastebin.com/index/DyQ2Fa40

I cloned it for safekeeping here:

pastebin.com/E7ymWLh3 "

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic Look at that document.

I defy you to figure out how any of it is supposed to prove anything.

So lemme ask you: what is the reliability and relevance score at this point in the interview? I would say: terminally low.

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic Even IF the emails are genuine (and, again, they come from Defango, who fucks with people for sport), the closest they come to establishing that Schoenberger is Q is: IF Schoenberger really is "Jack with a K," THEN one of his emails looks sinister BUT if you read it in context...

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic it's a somewhat weird response to the email that came before it, but it IS a response.

I'mma stop bc this is too long and I've kinda made my point: there are a lot of "ifs", the source hates Schoenberger, & it's hard to follow. That turns a LOT of people off, and reasonably so!

@eriksmithcomedy @julianfeeld @nickbackovic UPDATE: I could not lay it out briefly