UPDATE: Patrick Byrne is EXTREMELY horny for his One True President, but, like
in a manly, straight, entrepreneurial way
also there’s a long segment where he whines about how hard it is to be a CEO, which I will spare you, for I am a benevolent overlord
It took a long-ass time for SLIGHTLY less fascist people to arrive in the room with these unscheduled intruders, whereupon Byrne accused them of being INSUFFICIENTLY fascist and Trump got big mad...
before, uh, saying... oh no, I don’t like that.
This is a stab-in-the-back myth forming in real time: “can you imagine what I could’ve gotten done here if I hadn’t been fighting my own people?”
Note that here the myth is directed at establishment Republicans — bc, and I had a whole thread about it, you can’t ride the tiger.
Here is how Byrne describes the moment the tide began to turn against the coup plotters.
I fucking swear to God, he really says this.
“The three male lawyers edged closer to the front, and then as though as some hidden signal, they all started being bitches.”
If this meeting went down remotely like Patrick Byrne says it did, then he, Flynn, and Powell really were sitting in the Oval Office feeding raw, unrefined QAnon ideas to the Trump.
Which, of course, is consistent with reporting at the time. So why’d we dodge the bullet? Well...
As Byrne tells it, they left the Whitr House with almost everything they wanted: Trump “verbally appointed Sidney Powell special counsel” and gave her a Too Secrey clearance, and the conspirators went home “elated,” chattering about insane right-wing fantasies:
In fact, can we zoom in on the insane right-wing lies these people *who had just persuaded the President, in Byrne’s telling, to try to overthrow the election* believed?
According to Byrne, they thought there’d be a “civil war &... Chinese takeover of our country” under Biden.
Civil war is, of course, a grim but real possibility lying ahead of us.
I’m strongly against it, which you’d think you wouldn’t have to say but here we all are. As I’ve said many times: in a civil war, you watch your children die of easily treated diseases for lack of medicine.
Let’s all fucking try to avoid that, especially right-wingers who think it will be a short, victorious war, or that they’d keep their standard of living during and after.
So civil war? Not a ludicrous fantasy, although I wish it were. But... that Chinese-takeover stuff? Goddamn!
100% raving lunacy completely disconnected from reality, and one of the people in that conversation was a *three-star general*.
But then, and here’s that stab in the back myth again, *dastardly establishment Republicans* like, uh, Tea Party firebrand Mark Meadows????? simply did a coup against the counter-coup with a bunch of polite refusals.
No, you can’t have an office, or an ID.
This is very funny...
But also very revealing on two levels: one, everyone knew Powell wasn’t supposed to have access to Trump and couldn’t reliably worm her way in again.
Two, this is how fascist narratives work, right? Effete, bureaucratic elites undermining “the will of the People.”
But why the fuck did Sidney Powell, if she was such a badass, take that sitting down?
That doesn’t seem very Ubermensch-y to me. Shame on you, Sidney Powell.
But before I go, I want to talk about a specifically QAnon question that this whole thing raises.
It concerns the nature of belief: did the top-level QAnon heroes, like Powell and Flynn, believe on some level in QAnon?
This account, if reliable, is a fairly definitive “no.” They’re grifting.
Flynn would already have known it was bunk, of course, bc he directed the DIA.
Also if you listen to a clip of Flynn interacting with Q supporters, it’s clear he doesn’t care about them even a LITTLE bit. He can barely choke his way through a few cliches.
But what about Powell? How do we know she doesn’t believe in QAnon? Well, she was alone with Trump...
for like half an hour and didn’t assume he KNEW what any of these QAnon ideas were; didn’t start talking about Q or the Q team or the Plan, as Byrne relates it; didn’t do anything but spout the same ideas we’d seen Q accounts talking about for weeks.
Well, to a true believer there is absolutely no question that there’s a Plan, and that Trump is in on it.
A true believer would have a VERY different conversation with the President.
Look at this guy from the comments — you think he’d approach this like Powell and Flynn did?
This guy is ONLY JUST NOW doubting The Plan on February 1st, with Trump out of office for weeks.
If that guy teleported into the Oval Office, he would, 100%, have proceeded on the assumption that Trump knew everything and was playing 5d chess.
But Flynn and Powell correctly assessed that Trump *didn’t* know any of the details of QAnon content because Q isn’t real. Duh.
So there you have it: the true believer vs grifter question is answered to my satisfaction... *to the extent that Byrne is reliable*, which... 🤔
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This is a very good question! Japan doesn't have THAT many more people than, say, the Philippines (to pick a country purely at random that definitely has never featured in any sort of QAnon-related speculation whatsoever). 😈
And yet Japan has exported the hell out of its culture, whereas Filipino culture, I would say, *has* been exported, but almost exclusively by way of the diaspora.
I mean, I'm not an expert on this, so I welcome corrections if I'm wrong... but assuming I'm right (or right-ish):
“I am looking for credible sources, besides actual books” — the song of the 4chan anon.
BTW, here Highway Patrolman tries to steer the LARP towards Las Vegas, Nevada — site of a recent mass shooting that the anons were FEVERISHLY speculating about.
But this post is really notable because of what it’s wedged in between:
In the posts right before, and immediately after, the attempted Las Vegas derail, an anon fulminates about how “untouchable” the Rothschilds are (hi, Marjorie!), and how SOMEHOW people think it’s ANTISEMITIC to say that JEWS CONTROL THE BANKS; HWP Anon responds:
So... lemme see if I can lay this out briefly, with the understanding that it's not complete and also I suck at being brief. 😃
@eriksmithcomedy@julianfeeld@nickbackovic What I am looking for -- and I suspect what everyone else is looking for, but IDK if they'd describe it in both terms -- is evidence that is highly relevant *and* highly reliable.
I don't really have a formal procedure where I, like, GRADE pieces of evidence on both points.
@eriksmithcomedy@julianfeeld@nickbackovic But if I did, the evidence that would score highest is always going to be the canonical Q drops: they are 100% relevant to the QAnon movement and they are... not 100% reliable (in that they're missing, so far, 11 lost drops and also the information in them ISN'T TRUE, duh).
Things are going great for Sidney Powell, who -- on her Telegram -- just linked to a long blog post supposedly by Patrick Byrne (the Overstock guy).
The post said Sidney was great and Rudy was, essentially, a senile alcoholic.
But check out this incredible gem from it:
Byrne, by the way, is either a chan-CHUD or a Q follower.
Note his use of "weaponized autism" here.
Naturally in Byrne's universe, HE is the real hero here and the ragtag team of misfits he assembled to Definitely Prove A Big Fraud (and which he apparently turned over to Flynn at some point) were-- well, look!
I remember when I warned that GOP legislatures in swing states would try to pass laws like this, and people went "the voters would NEVER stand for it, they wouldn't dare."
Worth noting the bill isn't introduced by some low-profile backbencher, but by the chair of the Ways and Means Committee.
But wait, somehow there's even more: this bill would REQUIRE that ALL election challenges, no matter how meritless or *legally inadequate* they are, proceed to trial -- and that a jury trial be an option, AND that a judge can't throw the case out until the trial is complete.