[Thread] Pangolin CoV... or Bat CoV in pangolins samples?
TLDR: A researcher of the team that sequenced the pangolins samples had taken samples in the mine of RaTG13 and in the place where RmYN02 was collected, also catched bats in Yunnan. Probably contaminated pangolin samples
@Daoyu15 was the first to note that the raw sequence reads of the pangolins “contained unexpected reads and was in serious risk of contamination” in early June 2020. But now we can explain how it was possible to happen this in Guangdong zenodo.org/record/4450267…
Jin-Ping Chen, the corresponding author of the first paper of the pangolins, and LiBiao Zhang, who has been sampling the mine of RaTG13 and the place in Mengla where RmYN02 was collected, are close colleagues in GIABR & GIZ ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P… giz.gd.cn/yjdw_/yjy/
LiBiao Zhang was probably in the mine on 27-Jul-12 with HKU team (he is co-author in Lau et al. (2017)) and a week later on 06-Aug-12 with WIV in their 1st visit. Surprisingly, he is co-author in the AdV isolates paper, but not credited in Ge et al. (2016)
LiBiao Zhang was also sampling in the same location as Holmes. GPS coordinates are 4 km apart, although it seems that Holmes’ team obfuscated a bit the location. He may even have sampled a close relative bat unnoticing that was infected with similar virus
Also, Libiao Zhang was in Yunnan in July 2019 catching bats with students. So, we have not only two possible sources of lab contamination, but also we cannot rule out a lab zoonosis if any bats were sent to GIABR/GIZ and kept in the same room as pangolins wemp.app/posts/41b8ab05…
Another possibility is that one of these students (Libiao Zhang is probably already well immunized) served as a human intermediate host for the pangolins. Not being able to infect h2h but h2p? I think it is less likely but cannot rule out either
There is a fifth possible source of the contamination, but from a Bayesian point of view it should be less likely. We will explain it in an special thread on lab contamination soon
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[Thread] Unnoticed Lab contamination in the samples of first COVID-19 infected patients. 1/ Article: “There was a simultaneous undetected outbreak of Nipah in Wuhan”
@nature cc reviewer @c_drosten, this article must be corrected to acknowledge that SADSr-CoV 3755 was from the same mine of Mojiang (Yunnan) as RaTG13. Any reader of the paper thinks it came from Guangdong, and that is not true nature.com/articles/s4158…
As you see, its ID is in the middle of the IDs of the 1st trip of WIV to the mine (Ge et al, 2016).
Obviously, disclosing its full sequence is also a must, not only the N.
Wang et al. (2019) stated it was from Yunnan in their Fig 1.
Ra7347 most probably from the mine too. And 140351 too (they messed samples of May-14)
With so many errors, lack of info, cheatings and covers, the phylogenetic trees are totally useless! Shame ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
No descartaría que el #COVIDー19 se originara en un laboratorio, pero no "creado en laboratorio", sino por zoonosis normal, accidental (podría haber sido en un mercado). Sería un gran zasca a los científicos que juegan a Dios, con consecuencias nefastas
Es muy pretencioso afirmar que ha sido creado por el hombre. Si en la Historia han existido unos 10^29 animales (individuos) y si en cada uno ha habido billones (o más) de iteraciones de virus, no tenemos capacidad de computación que iguale a eso
Una persona malintencionada lo peor que podría hacer es: 1. rescatar virus antiguos para los que ya no estemos inmunizados, o 2. favorecer el proceso de zoonosis. Y no es poco, ojo