I see the conversation today is “we shouldn’t celebrate Limbaugh’s” death. I can’t help but hear it as “white people should experience no consequences after an entire life spent harming people.”
Y’all didn’t do anything about him when he was alive, but now you got a problem? FOH
This has nothing to do with Limbaugh. It’s entirely a cultural taboo against speaking ill of the dead. There are a lot of people who have been conditioned to believe that comes back on you in some way. It doesn’t. The only consequence is other humans giving you a hard time.
I support everyone who is feeling even a small measure of release today as a person who spent *decades* actively trying to make their lives harder and more miserable is no longer able to do so. And fuck anybody who tells you that you shouldn’t be happy about it.
The problem with America is that we work hard to remove any and all ways to hold people accountable and curb bad behavior. Even posthumously. There are very few consequences for being a horrible person. But there are many consequences for those of us who actually give a shit.
Imagine if we allowed people to be held accountable for obvious and egregious bad behavior. Imagine if it was actually inconvenient for you to be a harmful and bigoted monster. How many people would experience greater freedom and safety? Less fear, less abuse. How many?
America is not perfect. But even with all of its deep-rooted social problems, America would have exponentially less suffering if we didn’t give so many awful people free reign to actively and knowingly cause harm. Fuck Rush Limbaugh. And everybody who makes space for him.
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This exchange is pretty infuriating. But it's worth reading to understand how a lot of conservative white men view the world. Please don't include me in replies to Jeff. I'm done for the day.
Jeff is actively deleting replies now. Seems he doesn't want people to know how he really feels about this stuff. But I do want to surface this particular exchange he had with @karlitaliliana. This is how white conservatives respond when asked to grapple with racism.
No offense to Robert, but this is pure fiction. America has never had jobs at profit-driven companies that were "meant for teens". That's something we convince ourselves of to justify the fact that they're shit jobs with low pay. Because we think kids deserve that but not adults.
Next comes the trope about forcing Teens to do shit jobs to "build character". All of this is part of a fiction that is meant to a) provide cheap labor to multi-billion dollar companies and b) shame adults who are forced to take these jobs into accepting lower pay.
There are 10 million plus people out of work right now. But we're gonna sit here and say a company like Uber is supposed to be using teen drivers? McDonald's employs 200K people today. That has gone *down* in recent years. It makes no sense.
Did y'all know that a lot of white people don't have the cultural concept of "real talk"? You know where you stop saying the diplomatic thing and tell people what's really going on. They just don't have it. You try to have a moment of "real talk" and they freak the fuck out.
It's one of the things that makes it difficult for PoC, and Black people especially, to form real trust relationships with white people. Y'all don't know what's going on because no one tells you. And no one tells you because you can't actually handle the truth.
I've come to understand that white people have their own seemingly convoluted way that they decide what's going on and what to do about it. I have a really hard time navigating those rituals. I think a lot of us do. And it damages our ability to be successful in white spaces.
This went pretty well. Thanks again to everyone who participated. Also huge thanks to @wwitzel3 who volunteered to take notes. I'm working with them to curate a bit, and then we'll share.
Similarly to last time, we talked about for about an hour and 45 minutes before officially closing out the discussion. I didn't track how big the room got, but bigger than last time. Maybe 40+ people at the largest? Good crowd.
It felt a little tougher to moderate the room and rotate participants through. I think that's largely because I was doing it on my own this time. Some folks ended up waiting for quite a while before getting to share. I don't love that, and I think it's a common problem on CH.
I want to continue the frontend discussion. Specifically I want to talk about "state management". It's phrase that gets used a lot. I think it's the source of a lot of complexity in frontend today. What's the right framing of a question around that?
Let's do 5pm Pacific time again. Nobody suggested big changes to the format, so I'm going to do it the same way and maybe we'll learn some more. I'm also open to a volunteer to do detailed note taking.
It's not ignoring anything. A power dynamic doesn't mean your manager is not a person. Nor does it mean they are unaffected by your unexpected departure. Just say you don't give a shit about managers. It's okay.