@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 PDA is not a good defense against FII. I explain why on my blog (somewhere). I think PDA is related to stress management, which is obviously affected by trauma (as most people's ability to manage stress is).
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 I should be discussing this with @Andylowarousal at some point soon.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal When you stop to consider how PDA operates as a "condition"/ entity. It seems to make sense that PDA behaviours are mainly about a person managing their stress levels. When viewed as such, it is not specific to autism.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal "Once anxiety or aversion have been triggered by
demands, parents report that increasing pressure on
the child to comply can precipitate more severe forms of
problem behaviour (e.g. threats, meltdowns, destructive...
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal behaviour, harm to self and others; Newson et al., 2003;
O’Nions et al., 2018). This is in line with other work
with children with developmental disabilities, which
describes distress, arousal and attempts to physically
escape from demand contexts"
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal "60% have extreme outbursts or panic attacks." In Surface Sociability. Newson et al (2003), p596.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal "*Reducing meaningful conversation: bombards adult with speech (or other noises, e.g. humming) to drown out demands; mimics purposefully; refuses to speak. *(As last
resort): outbursts, screaming, hitting, kicking; best construed as panic attack."
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal p597 part of strategies of avoidance are essentially socially manipulative, which is a subtrait for Continues to resist and avoid ordinary demands of life. (Newson et al, 2003).
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal "Repetitive questions used for distraction, but may signal panic." Newson et al (2003), p597. For Language delay trait.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal "Very impetuous, has to follow impulse. Switching of mood may be response to perceived pressure; goes “over the top” in protest or in fear reaction, or even in affection; emotions may seem like an “act”."
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal Newson et al (2003, p597). Part of Lability of Mood trait.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal Now consider the empirical studies that either associated PDA to anxiety, or PDA is predicted by anxiety.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal The point of me referring to quotes from Newson, is for me to show that PDA features, across most/ all of its dx traits should be seen as related to regulating stress.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal When you view PDA as a being about stress management, the entire notion PDA is an autism subtype quickly seems preposterous.

Autism, as a way of being is not about stress management; which PDA seems to be.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal If you want more evidence for this, consider @Allison66746425 work highlighting how PDA pathologises actions that children often use to assert their self agency when stressed. Then how my own content analysis of PDA tools replicated her results.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 @Andylowarousal The point here is that often, PDA social demand avoidance behaviours escalate, in how extreme they are, described by O'Nions (off the top of my head). This is reflected in @Allison66746425 work.

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@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 Apparently, it happens. I have been such things happen with at least one clinician in the UK. Told by a respected clinician/ academic. Maybe to not that extreme.

Yet, it is the extreme end of argument that mental disorders are needed as they help persons.
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 It can be considered the logical extent of using mental disorders, to assist persons (& it does not even need to help those diagnosed with them).
@tinkerbellbites @milton_damian @Allison66746425 The other end of debate around using mental disorders is that they need standardised behaviour profiles & validated tools.
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I think I am going to record updated versions of my conference talks, where possible. I am not going to fundamentally update them, just try to make them accessible & provide new information if relevant.
Probably one a month.
I have uploaded a new recording of this talk to Youtube (currently set to private):
openresearch.lsbu.ac.uk/item/8v192

Does anyone wish me to share it with them (it is about 85 minutes long)?

I will make it public soon.
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On a tangent it has made me re-read O'Nions and Neons (2018). I think their arguments in there quickly fall down and are largely not credible.
At least some of them anyway. Probably explain later.
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demands, parents report that increasing pressure on
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I cannot believe I crying over a peer review.

The peer review accepts:
"The author is clearly passionate about his view"
"It is clear the author has very good knowledge of PDA and related issues"
""challenging whether PDA should just be seen as a subcategory of ASD as to a behavioural profile that can be seen in children who do not ASD". There are strong arguments for this"
"(perhaps 2 head-to-head articles in a special issue written by invitation may be better)."
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Oh crikey. Looking briefly at OCD again. Notice this in its DSM criteria:
"Young children may not be able to articulate the aims of these behaviors or mental acts."
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As I state elsewhere are good reasons to expect many autistic CYP being labelled with "Rational Demand Avoidance" who CAN NOT rationalise their behaviours, their demand avoidance.
…emandavoidancecom.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/01-aug…
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I am going to say this, I am confident that anyone saying that original PDA DISCO questions viewed PDA social manipulative behaviours as being "Strategic"/ not "manipulative" are either mistaken or lying.
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Definition of manipulation:
"to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage"
&
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