According to this anon, writing roughly 8 months before Q's first appearance, the CIA was waging a shadow war against President Trump on behalf of "globalists," to "protect the Pizzagate ring."
But Trump was fighting back with help from anons and the online far right in general.
Trump's victories included:
"- FBI has finished Flynns investigation and found nothing wrong.
- Pizzagate still going strong, new findings on Podesta...
- Hundreds of Child Sex Rings being dismantled by the FBI the past 2 weeks
- Soros under financial investigation," aaaaand...
"- Shadow Government Exposed"
This is almost exactly Q's narrative. The main difference is that in Q's version of the story, the CIA is serving the Cabal rather than just "globalists" (which is, incidentally, an antisemitic dogwhistle in the 4chan context).
Another small but significant difference is that in the Qniverse, the FBI is deeply suspect; for this anon, the FBI was under Trump's control and therefore good.
Or consider this post from quite early on in Pizzagate: November 3, 2016, roughly 1 year pre-Q.
"we can see pretty clearly that the highest-powered people in the world are largely a bunch of sickos who fuck and kill children as if they were a commodity."
"what i'm hoping is that the intelligence apparatus they've created to protect themselves turns on them....
we have some inkling that the intelligence agencies are using /pol/ as a crowdsourced sorting algorithm, and that they're dropping hints."
The anon finishes: "god, i can't wait to see the evil brought to justice"
Again: this is quite similar to Q, isn't it? The details don't match -- this anon sees the FBI, CIA, and NSA as *all* basically good, and doesn't call for a military purge.
But the broad strokes?
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Also: while writing that tweet, I was delighted to find out that @ArkadyMartine is a Byzantinist.
Partly 'cause it means I might someday get to see her gloss on one of my favorite historical figures, Basil I.
Partly 'cause I hope she and @HNTurtledove are pals.
But mostly...
Her close study of how the Byzantine empire worked has clearly informed her *fictional* empire, and helped her build a world where -- and this is really the heart of her achievement -- the culture she spends most of her time writing about *works like an empire does*.
It's easy, of course, to sneer at QAnon people when they say stupid things.
And some of them ARE remarkably uninformed about how the world works.
Here's the thing, though: *everyone* is vulnerable to the same kind of thinking they engage in, even professors.
So you or I might think, "Ah, I could never be THAT ignorant!" -- and sure, maybe you couldn't. Maybe you DO know more about life than PatrQT1717 or whatever.
But you are *absolutely* capable of being wrong and then doubling down, & doing it again and again. That's very human.
I have a book called "The Osiris Complex" that... well, the author is a psychiatrist, and he THINKS it's about how he was able to see the truth of Satanic Ritual Abuse and (what was then called) Multiple Personality Disorder.
(Also: ping @abbieasr -- get the book, it's so good)
I've kept out of the Great State Debate until now, but COME ON.
Hilary's position was: "that MIGHT be a Nazi symbol. But you know what's DEFINITELY true? Yesterday. US Rep. Paul Gosar spoke at an event staged by Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes™. Today, CPAC let him speak anyway."
And people responded to THAT by calling her a Nazi?
Hey, y'all, instead of debating the stage, we really COULD be talking about actual literal undeniable fascist shit happening right across the street from CPAC.
Here are some choice quotes from Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes™:
After the El Paso shooting, Fuentes said: "The easiest way for Mexicans to not get shot and killed in Walmart is for them to not fucking be here."
This is MTG as she truly is: a serial fabulist, deeply insecure--the type of person who described herself as a "Public figure" in a bio *long* before she really was one
And deeply, deeply into conspiracy theories before she got into Q.
Once she *was* following Q, she was DEEP into the lore. I've talked a bit lately about the centrality of Obama / North Korea in Q's early storyline.
Here she is writing in 6/2018. This is a committed follower.
But QAnon isn't the most notable thing about Taylor-Greene. Fascism is.
Her desire to simply reshape reality to fit the claims of one man -- godlike, infallible -- who guides the Nation & its People as their only true representative -- is the ONLY thing missing from this piece.
Here, a 4chan LARPer explains their thought process:
LARPers (or, as this anon of course had to claim, actual insiders who wanted to leak) "want you to take us seriously," so "we try to be super thorough and legitimize our credibility via accuracy."
2/4 But "I think some people try to give too precise of a timeframe which can bite them in the ass, but only because /pol/ demands it. This is why I try not to back myself into narrow timeframes and specific dates" -- because even if you DID have legit info, the news cycle...
3/4 ... would make it hard to know in advance when your Definitely Real Information would be publicly reported.
"But Origins," you say, "how do you know this is a LARPer and not a real leaker?"
Well, mostly I'm playin' the odds, but PARTLY I'm reading the rest of their posts.
Remember how South Dakota's attorney general killed a man in a hit-and-run? Reporter @AJZionts has interrogation tapes. WILD to see the mix of kid-gloves treatment & standard interrogation tactics here.
P.S. Read *past* the part where it says he was reading conspiracy-theory BS.
Would highly recommend you read that whole thread, but at the VERY LEAST get down to post 34. (Yes, you may scoff and go "WHO HAS TIME?", but... read at least that far. Just trust me on this.)
OH, THIS IS SOME BULLSHIT.
He was charged with *three misdemeanors????*
THE VICTIM'S FACE WAS THRU HIS GODDAMNED WINDSHIELD. HE WAS ON THE PHONE READING SOME KIND OF BIDEN-CHINA CONSPIRACY THEORY WHEN HE HIT THE VICTIM, WHO WAS ON THE SHOULDER, NOT THE ROAD ITSELF.