@Tao_Collective @KIRINPUTRA @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes They might claim they have but I wouldn’t characterize it that way. Both reconstructions are fundamentally based on projecting MC backwards into phonological categories induced from analysis of poetic rhyming and xiesheng series.
@Tao_Collective @KIRINPUTRA @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes B & S use Norman’s Proto-Min and extra-Sinitic borrowings as supplement to that method. Zhengzhang’s comparative supplements are highly unsystematic.
@Tao_Collective @KIRINPUTRA @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes Based only on a more or less strict application of the comparative method, I doubt you could reconstruct to earlier than Han. Much of the clustering and morphology they reconstruct is gone by then.
@Tao_Collective @KIRINPUTRA @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes Oh, also, lexical items aren’t reconstructed unless they are attested in pre-Qin texts.

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19 Mar
Let’s talk about radicals in Chinese characters, like 虫 in 蚊, and why they don’t work the way that you think they work.

This discussion will take us outside of China and into parts of the historical “sinographosphere”: 🇰🇷🇰🇵🇯🇵, and especially 🇻🇳.

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We'll start with a little quiz. Here are five characters. Which one doesn’t fit the category that the others are in?

a 𠃣
b 𠀧
c 𡈺
d 𠳒
e 夠

Before you answer, let me warn you that it’s a trick question. Image
You said (e) 夠, didn’t you?

Even though I warned you it was a trick question?
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18 Mar
@Tao_Collective @KIRINPUTRA @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes Sure. Let's just suppose for the sake of argument that we have a core set of Sinitic languages descended from a common ancestor spoken in what is now northern China, under historical circumstances that can be reasonably approximated by the tree model of divergence.
@Tao_Collective @KIRINPUTRA @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes We can call that language Old Chinese and we'd like to reconstruct its vocabulary and phonology. We have two windows into that language's vocabulary and pronunciation. One is primarily text-based or, if you will, philological.

The other is cognate vocabulary in modern lgs.
@Tao_Collective @KIRINPUTRA @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes They aren't commensurate, for several reasons: (1) The textual record is incomplete, much is lost to us. So there might be words attested only in texts that haven't survived. (2) Because writing is employed only in certain socio-cultural contexts and is not a precise
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17 Mar
@KIRINPUTRA @Tao_Collective @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes Thank you for taking the time to write this all out. I'll keep my responses brief.

1) I don't disagree with anything substantive you have said here.
@KIRINPUTRA @Tao_Collective @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes 2) I think your view of the field is somewhat outdated. It is not nearly as rigid as you describe. There are many young scholars, often native speakers, doing top-notch work describing the lexicon, morphology, and syntax of Chinese language varieties.
@KIRINPUTRA @Tao_Collective @viroraptor @homosappiest @xiao_collective @catielila @BadLingTakes They are not wedded to the old methods and they bring valuable perspectives, including knowledge of language use in socio-cultural context. This is not to say there isn't still an old guard, just that there are generational shifts happening.
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12 Mar
This will be my last follow-up to this earlier thread on Pokémon names. I just want to give a shout-out to some of the researchers and their work on Pokémon names ("Pokémonastics") that I learned about from replies posted to the thread.
Shigeto Kawahara seems to be the dominant figure in the field. He was lead author of this paper that demonstrated, among other things, correlation between the length (in moras) of Pokémon names and the size, weight, and evolution status of the Pokémon.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
And he hosted the 1st Conference on Pokémonastics at Keio University in 2018.

1stpokemonastics.wordpress.com
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Within my thread on Pokémon names posted last week, I talked about the English, German, and Japanese names of the three Pokémon pictured here, which make up an evolutionary family.

Two readers, @CranberryMorph1 and @gyankotsu , made an interesting observation. 1/ The three Pokémon Deino, Zw...
Before I get to their observation, let's review the names of these one-, two-, and three-headed dragon-like Pokémon:

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Zweilous / Duodino / Jiheddo ジヘッド
Hydreigon / Trikephalo / Sazandora サザンドラ

2/
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The English names: German eins, zwei, drei

The German names: Latinate uno, duo, tri ("tri" could also be Greek, which matches Greek "kephalo")

The Japanese names: Greek mono, Japanese ji and sa/san

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