While the issue of Nayakidevi’s ancestry may be open for debate. I wanted to share some comments over the arguments furthered in the quoted thread. I’m not regular on twitter anymore so there won’t be a follow through.
Claim: Paramardin’s age at ascension on throne has been given as 5 years.
Basis given? Parmal Raso. A text which is as credible as the Prithviraj Raso is on Prithviraj Chauhan (pun intended). Parmal Raso is a creation of 16th century or later which actually states that...
Paramardin Chandella’s son Brahmanand forcibly married Prithviraj’s daughter Bela “during the time when both Prithviraj and Paramardin were alive” (emphasis mine). This Raso also speaks of Prithviraj firing cannons at Chandella forces. Cannons which were mainstreamed in...
north India only in the 16th century A.D. There are many more marvels of such Raso’s but we’ll digress if we ventured further at this point. So, Parmardin being 5 yrs old during ascension to throne is laughable at best.
Then comes the Ajaygarh inscription. Be it a patronized bard or the scribe of an inscription, the range of creativity and talent applied in heaping praises and lionizing the patrons is well-known...
In that light, it is amusing to assume that calling someone a leader in youth would equate with them ascending to the throne in the youth.
“Aji hamare chote Saahab ne to bachpan se hi apne lakshan dikhane shuru kar diye the” does not mean that the chote saahab replaced bade saahab in the childhood itself. It is just a way of praising the patron lineage’s jewels.
Considering the children and events, Naikidevi’s wedding would have taken place around 1170 AD.
Given the medieval norms and fertility age, Naikidevi must be born in or before 1154 AD. If one considers Chandella ancestry, Paramardi’s year of birth can be placed in early 1130s.
Then keeping his father’s birth in early 1110s we reach the grandfather Madanavarman’s arrival at late 1180s AD.
In the end A) Madanavarman’s known ascension to throne (1129 AD) comes for him at the age of approx 40 which we know is
not most the frequent bracket but has plenty of examples to support. B) Paramardi’s age at the time of death works out to be 70 years, which isn’t odd given that his contemporary Bhola Bhim Chaulukya also passed away in late 60s.
Lastly, I’m not arguing that the case is sealed in favour of Chandella ancestry for Nayakidevi. But that the currently available information is insufficient to be dead sure of denying it.
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There was a dispute in a Hindu family A.
Someone in the family calls an outsider (Hindu) from another family B for help. What help? Counselling? Guidance? Mediation?
No, help was a mercenary who would sit in the camp of the highest bidder.
So, he is hired with money, purely to do the bidding of the side who paid (or so it was supposed to be anyway).
Then another person in the family A pulls someone else from family B, obviously he also had to pay. And so on it happens.
Then the fights take place. Family B's mercenaries would often switch sides to whoever paid more, often plunder in the house of family A when demands of money were not met. Demands would go up and ways to squeeze dirtier as mercenaries got more & more entrenched.
This chhanda (#613) is from the large recension of Raso completed in the early 18th century. The copy it belongs to was edited by Mohanlal Vishnulal Pandya Ji and published by Nāgari Pracharini Sabha. 1/n
The chhanda doesn’t exist in another well-circulated large recension copy edited by Kaviraj Mohan Singh. It doesn’t exist in the smaller recensions either. The less said about large recension’s credibility, the better. 2/n
The line actually says– Brave Someshwara held sway over
Gurjara territory as its King (claiming Chauhan influence in south Rajasthan territories of original Gurjaradesha). It then says that Someshwara’s sword (khagga) cuts the Mālwā King’s head. 3/n
Chucking the acquisition of means of self defence, is a symptom of willful abdication of one's own fundamental right to life, liberty and honour. The only ones to actively abet that are lazy, short-sighted societies.
Such head-in-sand societies want to falsely believe that they can somehow circumvent violence forever & everywhere. Guess what, you can't. There is literally no way to completely prevent or circumvent violence ever. Neither in wildlife nor in human societies.
The issue runs deeper than just Arms acts or availability of weapons. It is of an escapist human psyche that keeps yearning for an excuse to outsource the ab initio responsibility of self protection. It has never worked and never will. You have to accept it,
सप्तम सर्ग श्लोक 50 में गुर्जर शब्द कहीं है ही नही।
दशम सर्ग श्लोक 50। जहां नाडोल के दुर्ग को गुर्जरों का दुर्ग बताया गया है वो स्थानसूचक प्रयोग है। कैसे?
वो ऐसे कि जिन पर ग्रंथ लिखा जा रहा है वो अजमेर का राजपरिवार और जिस नाडोल की बात हो रही है वो वहां का राजपरिवार दोनों ही..1/n
चौहान वंश से थे। अब दो लोग जो एक ही वंश के हैं। उनमें से एक पक्ष यदि दूसरे को संबोधित करेगा तो शब्द ऐसा प्रयोग में आएगा जिससे दोनों पक्षों में अंतर स्पष्ट हो।
आप किसी को बुलाते समय अरे इंसान या अरे भारतीय तो नही कहेंगे ना। कुछ ऐसा जिससे आपके और सामने वाले में अंतर स्पष्ट हो।2/n
यहां दोनों पक्ष चौहान है। यदि हम मान लें कि चौहान जाति/प्रजाति से गुजर थे तो फिर गुर्जर शब्द दोनों पर लागू हो जाता है व उसकी अंतर करने की क्षमता चली जाती है। यहां गुर्जर शब्द का प्रयोग तभी संभव है जब वो दोनों चौहान पक्षों में अंतर पैदा करता हो और वो करता है, स्थानसूचक होकर। 3/n
I recently came across a random tweet (below).
Nothing fishy on the face, went through the video given in it. It barely had anything to relate with this tweet. So, will leave the tweet here & take you through what a so called scholar (Manoshi Sinha) has said in the video. 1/n
It’s a speech on ‘Victories of Indian Warriors against Islamic Invasion: From 8th to 18th Century’ by Manoshi Sinha. Numerous things were said in the speech. We’ll go through most of them one by one in paraphrased manner.
Manoshi: Most of the Kings and Fighters lost interest in fighting after non-violence gained momentum. The Kings gave little importance to maintaining robust army & upgrading military infrastructure.
Response: Which period? No mention. A generalized & vague statement.
If people would only read what comes on prominent bookstores or gets the most popularity then surely the best books will skip them. That's like saying- "Put some 5-6 dishes on my table. Even if all are shit, I will feel good in choosing & eating the least stinking one" 1/n
Because only the big entities and ones coming from the left eco system dominated academia get the push requeired to attain that level of traction. This is why good books of Rajput history aren't on the most popular publications or stores. 2/n
I know of many good historians who have written from Rajasthan in recent years. But their language is Hindi and reach is limited. Coming to writing more books. Let me inform that I'm yet to recover the cost incurred in getting mine published. 3/n