Now I've had some time for the @Intel announcements yesterday to sink in, here's my brain dump.
A number of analysts were quite reserved when @PGelsinger joined Intel, stating that no matter what he did, we wouldn't see it for years. I said straight away that Pat can steer the intent of the company as soon as he sat in the seat. Today is a clear message
That being said, Intel last week is still the same as Intel today. Saying stuff doesn't mean much unless Intel does pivot, and it will take a few years to enable that pivot, but there will be a strong undercurrent of things to come throughout, with a continuous focus on 2023
Questions about how IFS will take shape, the IP licensing model as well as customer access, and in what time frame, all TBA. If IFS can execute with first non-Intel IP customers by early 2022, and in volume by mid-late 2022, then that's probably a win
Saying $20b for two new fabs is good, however it's only increasing the number of fabs on the Ocotillo site by 50% - they already have four fabs there. There's no word about wafer starts per month, although
Gelsinger does want to be in a position where a customer can order 5k wafers/week and Intel can supply. The fabs will be for IFS and Intel's own use, and questions on which side has priority will be interesting. Could do the Samsung model here
How exactly Intel plans to expand other facilities, or create new ones, across the US and EU over the next decade will come into play, but no hard data on that yet. Also how much of this is available to IFS is a key question.
Tbh, the collab with IBM is going to be a big deal. Intel did not go into details, which is a shame. Every semicon conference I go to is filled with IBM papers and designs about current nodes and upcoming nodes and how to get different performance based on what you want
IBM used to have an outlet for this research, now of course they're relying on some licensing format to derive revenue. An IBM collab could be as simple as a patent licensing, or/plus a cross agreement that Intel might create a special node for HP (like GF used to do)
Also anything co-designed, given that DTCO is a big deal these days. No doubt if HP gets some custom access, they'll help DTCO Intel's own designs (either on first or third-party foundry) to the max.
In the past, Intel's main manufacturing was purely for its leading-edge CPU design. Now fabs are more nuanced, for RF, analog, high voltage, MEMs, etc. TSMC has roadmaps for these. If IFS wants to be universal, for Arm/RISCV too, it has to expand capabilities
IFS being its own business unit will likely mean that Intel will be enabling more outreach about its IFS services. Heading IFS is Dr. Randhir Thakur, who spent 14 years at Applied Materials working in fab operations, and understands supply chain, and has 300 EE patents.
If Dr. Thakur is available for an interview, then there are a number of good questions to ask :)
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For what it's worth, Intel has been using Arm cores in its products for years. Some we know about, others we do not. Some Intel products contain solely Arm cores.
As for their own custom cores, Intel has had an Arm architecture license for around a decade, if not longer.
How much has Intel used that architecture licence? Golden question. Given that Arm's own cores go from the M0 for microcontrol, up to the X1 for performance, and R-series for real time, and lots in-between, it's hard to say.
A modern CPU has a lot of microcontrollers.
Just don't ask what secret sauce they already add for big customers.
Just found out that the company who installed my new boiler last year, has disappeared. They weren't the best price, but reasonable and 10-year warranty and free inspections. Worksmanship was poor though, and now that 10-year warranty and free inspections are worthless
I emailed them a couple months after installation to come back and fix things (holes in walls). No response. Just went into my loft and they've left old pipes everywhere, didn't clean up after themselves, empty boxes, thrown around the insulation
It seems like almost everything we've got other people to do on this house has been terrible. The stuff we've done ourselves is reasonable. But we only have limited skills and time.
Once again I have another FedEx parcel that was supposed to arrive by noon. 11:58, get an email saying 'delivery exception, customer not available'. Have they been here yet? Nope.
They do this so that they can say they 'attempted' delivery in time. Keeps the success rates high.
This is how they bid for contracts with big companies, on success rates. But they lie.
Last time this happened they still delivered two hours later. But because they said 'attempted, no-one available' by the delivery time, it still counts +ve for the metrics. When it shouldn't.
This is also why some couriers refuse to show you where the delivery driver is on a map, or a # in the chain you are. They claim it's because they do midday pickups for orders made that day. The truth is they want as little evidence as possible that they missed targets.
Xe and esports gaming on Tiger Lake Thread. Comments welcome.
I'm seeing a lot of reviews saying that Tiger Lake with Xe will be a boon for esports gamers, and then comments that integrated graphics is still high on the steam survey, so win win. /1
Everything that Intel has said about TGL, with it being on the premium 10SF process, with the leading generation CPU/GPU and TB4 and Athena/Evo, these ultra premium systems will not be priced for that 'casual gaming' market that plays on integrated graphics. /2
Those that game are more likely to spend that $1200+ on a gaming laptop with a 1660 Ti or something. The ultra portable is more for the worker and the road warrior. /3
So to add to the Intel TDP and frequency confusion.
The '12-28W' TGL parts were listed with 28W base clocks. Intel's ARK database confirms this. If anything, we should probably post the 12W numbers to be closer to prev gen and competition.
/1
For the '7W-15W' TGL parts, Intel's spec list from the presentation actually gives the '9W' TDP mode nase frequency. Looking on ARK, the numbers for 7W and 15W are different, so we do actually have the 9W base clocks for these CPUs.
/2
Intel said 'TDP isn't useful', which I'm sure isn't a slogan that will be applied to Xeons, where TDP *is* useful. Obfuscating the power curve further just to get a higher number sounds like a 'hope they won't notice' move from comms? Or you know, Hanlon's Razor.
/3
Q: Availability and devices
A: Super happy about OEM engagement. 150+ platform designs across consumer and commercial. 50+ for consumer, starting october. 20 on Evo.
Q: Prev gens had power consumption reduction. Explain efficiency?
A: Fundamental reduction in TGL. With that power efficiency, we decided to use it with headroom - added IP and capability in the same TDP range.
Q: How does Intel deliver speed up in these AI situations
A: Comes through capabilities and datatypes, then software on top. New hardware in CPU and GPU with DL Boost is at the heart.