Thread by @Aabhas24

1/n #SadarPranam to Ishvara within #JusticeNariman

The points made by him reflect how uneducated he is about the subject he wishes to preach.

Bible and RigVeda comparison, Grossly wrong. Explained in this thread.

https://twitter.com/barandbench/status/1383029863548743680?s=20

2/n Because #JusticeNariman seems to be interested in polemics of Hindu Dharma trying to draw a comparison between Bible and RigVeda.

Can he as starter let world know how many female writers are attributed for writing Bible?

https://twitter.com/barandbench/status/1383029863548743680?s=20

3/n We have various parts of RigVeda compiled by Rishikas (female Rishis). Justice Nariman must be told by somebody that as per the latest researches RigVeda was conceived at millenniums before the alleged birth of Jesus.

4/n Here Justice Nariman seems to be mentioning RigVeda 10.95.1 with 0 understanding of subject. Anyone who is aware that many Hymns of RigVeda were composed by ṛṣikās would analyse the verse skeptically and not be judgmental as Justice seems to be.

https://twitter.com/barandbench/status/1383029863548743680?s=20

5/n So what is RigVeda 10.95.15?

पुरूरवो मा मर्था मा पर पप्तो मा तवा वर्कासो अशिवास उक्षन |
न वै सत्रैणानि सख्यानि सन्ति सालाव्र्काणांह्र्दयान्येता ||

Sāyaṇācārya has given complete backdrop of this very situation wherein Justice Nariman blindly uses Grifith's Translation.

6/n But misses the fact that whole 10.95 of RigVeda is a conversation between Urvashi and Pururava.

So who is Pururava? Who is appealing him not to have friendship with women?

7/n Had our esteemed #JusticeNariman read Kalidasa he would have known the background.

Kalidasa adopted the story of them in his play Vikramorvashiyam.

8/n If Justice would have read all 18 verses of 10.95 he would have actually understood that it is actually Urvashi herself who is appealing Puruvara.

So why did Urvashi appeal as such to Pururavas?

Urvashi was an Apsara.

9/n She was abducted by a demon during one of her excursion to the earth. Puruvara who was right there, rescued Urvashi from the demon. Both fall in love. Urvashi returns back to Swargalok, but she is unable to concentrate on her work.

10/n Once, she was performing the role of Lakshmi during the dance performance and accordingly was supposed to take the name of Vishnu but she takes name of Purarava.

This offended and agitated her Guru.

11/n The Guru curses and says,“You will live with the person you are thinking about and you will also give birth to his son. But you will have to choose between the father & son, because the day they see each other you will have to leave them both and return to swargalok.”

12/n Urvashi returns back to Pururava and marries him with a condition that he should never come naked in front of her. But at the same time Gandharvas want Urvashi back in Swargalok. They steal pet lambs of Urvashi . When Urvashi notices the same, she cries for help .

13/n Pururava jumps from sleep to help forgetting that he was not even wearing his robes. This broke the "Vachan" given to Urvashi and she vanishes while he keeps looking for thieves.

Later he does not find Urvashi too in palace and sets out to search her.

14/n Pururava manges to find her and it is then that conversation (Rig Veda 10.95.1-18) between them happens.

So can #JusticeNariman get the context here now?

15/n Here Pururava is urging Urvashi to return back to palace & Urvashi is continually rejecting but she also does not wants Pururava to harm himself out of Viyog.

The whole Rig Veda 10.95 is conversation between both of them.

16/n The whole 10.95 can be read here:
sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan/rv10…

But I give highlights from important parts of conversation using Grifith's translation itself.

17/n In 10.95.14 Pururava says :

"Thy lover shall flee forth this day for ever, to seek, without return, the farthest distance.Then let his bed be in Destruction's bosom, and there let fierce rapacious wolves devour him."

18/n And then Urvashi replies in 10.95.15 which has been cited by #JusticeNariman

"Nay, do not die, Purūravas, nor vanish: let not the evil-omened wolves devour thee. With women there can be no lasting friendship: hearts of hyenas are the hearts of women."

19/n So even by using Grifith's translation it is clear that Urvashi was addressing herself as heyna , with intent to have Pururava return back to palace (In 10.95.14 he mentions of never returning back to palace without her and would prefer to be food for wolves).

20/n So ends up being clear that our respected #JusticeNariman has no clarity about Rig Veda. It makes me scared that these stupidity would also have affect on major judgments made by him.

One shouldn't be surprised when he quashed #waseemrizwi 's plea.

https://twitter.com/barandbench/status/1383029863548743680?s=20

21/n #JusticeNariman says that "Women in history have all started out as being perceived as lower then men."

That was not the case in our Tradition. Large part of RigVeda was composed by Rishikas. How so if they were perceived as lower in India too?

https://twitter.com/barandbench/status/1383030328298663950?s=20

22/n Perhaps #justiceNariman never came across Valmiki Ramayana. Had he come across it, he would have known that Vashistha had offered Ayodhya's throne to Sita Maa (Ramayana 2.37.23-24).

This incidence happened in India millenniums before Cleopatra was even born.

23/n In Sanatana Dharma Traditions Women have never been considered lower than men.

Consider RigVeda 1.122.5 name ‘Ghosha’ as an example. Here she did read the Vaidik Hymns (evoking Ashwini Kumar).

24/n RigVeda 1.152.6 mentions of ‘Brahmapriyam’ women who were the student/ pathak of Vedas.

#JusticeNariman needs to note that this is happening millenniums before Bible and latter has not a single female author.

25/n Apart from RgVaidik compilation by female Rishikas, it also tells us that women were designated with high rank jobs in the King's Office.

One of the best example is Rig Veda 1.31.11

26/n Here ‘Ila’ is spoken of who was given job preach "Dharma" in the "Samiti" of Raja Manu. This is a strong evidence that women’s were given every opportunity to perform.

#JusticeNariman this is happening millenniums before Cleopatra was even born.

If I refer to AtharvaVeda 14.1.6 it gives an interesting analogy for girl's education:

"When Surya’s daughter was leaving her home knowledge was her only support."

This implies that Daughter's education is primary thing.

Yajurveda, 14.2 Confirms of AtharvaVeda 14.1.6 and makes even more clearer that daughter's marriage happened only after completion of her education.

This was happening milleniums before Bible was written and #JusticeNariman says "Women were perceived lower as/ vedas too."

29/n If I refer to RigVeda 10.159.1-3, it becomes clear that a woman pray to "Bhagwan" with aspiration to be victorious and turn into an influential "speaker".

This gives us an abstract idea that women dream about job of choice.

30/n Well, our #JusticeNariman isn't aware that even Upanishads have recorded evidence of girls attaining higher education just like boys.

He may refer, Brihad-Araņyaka 3.6, 3.8.1-5, 7-12, 4.5.1-8, 11, 13-15. kena Upanishad 4.26.1

There are even more such instances.

31/n I'm informed by Matsya Purana 1.20.26 that a girl learnt about ‘Brahma-lore’ hence it becomes clear that women were free to chose their "subject"

Mahabharat, Adi Parv 79.8 talks about a little girl with too high Dharmik Knowledge.

32/n Garuda Purana 1.95.4 prescribes that a girl must be well versed with Vedas before marriage happens.

33/n We get information from Padma Purana 1.43.369-371 that girls were so dedicated in getting educated that
seers called them “spotless form of knowledge”.

Kathak Samhita 5.4.23-24 mentions of the prayer of a girl who is to be initiated in studying Vedas.

34/n In Ramayana, it is mentioned that there was none none in Ayodhya who didn’t knew the six ancillaries of Vedas.

So it certainly means that every Jaati and every gender has been included.

35/n Rigveda 5.43.15 informs us that men and women used to take part in Yajna together.

Yajurveda 3.60 (called Mahamrityunjaya) has recorded the instance of young women praying to Bhagwan & were performing Yajna.

36/n Atharva Veda 12.3.1 informs us that men & women took part in spiritual practices together with equal reward.

37/n RigVeda 10.40.10 has prescription asking men to engage women in Yajna.

38/n 71.11 of Markandey Puran informs us that a husband cannot perform good deed by forsaking his wife and vise versa.

Manusmriti 5.155 educates that no sacrifice, no vow, no fast must be performed keeping women’s apart.

Ramayana, Kishkindha Kanda, 24.38 says similar thing.

39/n So @barandbench , #JusticeNariman must be informed that there are way more references talking about august position of female in Vaidik Civilization. I can go on quoting.

40/n In fact we have instances were a killing a women irrespective of situations is considered horrible crime.

Perhaps no one will tell this but, Markandey Purana 15.18 states that the assaulter of a woman would be born as an earth-worm (in next life).

41/n Ramayana, Ayodhya Kand, chapter 78 clarifies through Bharat that women are not to be slain under ny circumstance.

42/n Well, as per Agni Purāṇa 168.28-38 says that a man loses his "Varna" by killing a woman.

Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.13.73 educates us that slaying a female is a sin.

Bhagvat Purāṇa 4.17.20 informs us that people must not raise hand on women for any crime.

43/n Mahabharat, Santiparva 266.42 educates that female is not to be killed.

@barandbench , #JusticeNariman must know these things.