Thread by @Richard_Autism

@Keirwales If you do have Sammi Timimi on the podcast, please could you ask him, what is their response is to the points around the validity of autism made here:
tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.10…

@Keirwales How co-occurring conditions often present differently inside & outside autism, due to simultaneously interacting with each other. Surely, there is something valid there causing co-occurring conditions to present slightly differently?

@Keirwales E.g. anxiety disorders often have different causes for their behaviour in autism.
thelancet.com/journals/lanch…

@Keirwales Also ask Timimi to explain what is behind double empathy problem research, which suggests social communication issues in autism are due to breakdown in social interactions between people...

... @Keirwales how non-autistic persons often have issues correctly reading autistic facial expressions. Autistic persons interact comparably well in autistic to autistic interactions, as non-autistic persons do in non-autistic to non-autistic interactions.

@Keirwales Such as from here:

And

And
link.springer.com/article/10.100…
@Noahsasson please could you link to your research on Double Empathy?

@Keirwales Please could you ask Timimi what causing these observations, if autism is not a valid construct?

@Keirwales I accept that Timimi means well and he often has a point. I think he goes to far in some critique of autism. Others have debated Timimi on this topic before, like @milton_damian here:
blogs.exeter.ac.uk/exploringdiagn…

https://twitter.com/Noahsasson/status/1384574173704441857

@Keirwales there has been some research into the autistic community by @DrMBotha which indicates that it helps mitigate the adverse effects of minority stress.

@keirwales This is a link to an overview of Double Empathy Problem and its research. I can send you a copy of it.
link.springer.com/referenceworke…

@keirwales That autistic persons outlooks on autism, tend to be stronger and more accurate than not autistic persons.
larry-arnold.net/Autonomy/index…
and (I can send you a copy of this).
link.springer.com/referenceworke…

@Keirwales there should be something valid behind the autism social construct, as in a tangible way of being human, that leads to these observations. Which I do not think Timimi appreciates.

On a tangent, I am enjoying the podcasts!

@keirwales I accept that there appears to be a good case to challenge the validity of BPD. It is not an area I am fully informed in. I can see why some question that.

@Keirwales I would be interested in there being double empathy problem research in BPD, seeing if there are similar results occurring or not; especially in relation with person with BPD to person with BPD, vs non BPD person to non BPD person interactions.

@Keirwales Sorry for the tangent, Double Empathy Problem research does need investigating in other populations with hypothesised social interactions/ social communication issues, such as attributed to Theory of Mind deficits.

@Keirwales Just throwing that out there.

@keirwales I am aware Theory of Mind is a weak theory and there are difficulties measuring it.
psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2019-…
&
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17…

@keirwales Likewise the proposed coding issues in PDA of deficits in social identity/ pride/ shame are also problematic; there are doubts that these deficits are valid.

@keirwales can cognitive theories associated to deficits in social constructs of the disorders in the DSM-5 & ICD11, also be not valid social constructs?

@DrMBotha @Allison66746425 @milton_damian

I am pretty certain it can be said of coding deficits PDA supposedly has. Newson needed PDA to have coding issues to fit into her own invented Pervasive Developmental Coding Disorders grouping.

@keirwales She was questioning what PDA's coding issues were in 1986, 2 years before she reified its behaviour profile in 1988.

@keirwales I often go off on tangents. Autism and PDA, more PDA is my passion/ special interest/ whichever term you wish to call it.

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