Your "thought experiment" can hardly justify that name & is unsophisticated truck driver-level rhetoric that does not befit you, at least from what I have seen elsewhere as far as your intellectual potential (which as yet has to be reached). It will take all of two seconds...1/
of thought for me to answer your challenge. You raise two simple points: 1) hand amputation & 2) sex slavery in the Qur'an. Both of these are ahistorical & decontextualized lines of attack. As for the first, it is well-accepted that the punishment of hand amputation... 2/
preceded the Qur'an & Islam: "Remarkably, not only stoning and hand-amputation, but nearly the entire range of Islamic adultery and theft legislation have pre-Islamic parallels" (Young 2005). As Islamic reformists have long argued, had the punishment of the time been prison... 3/
as opposed to hand amputation, then we can safely assume that this would likely have been found in the Qur'an instead. What is uniquely *Qur'anic* in this regard, however, is the verse that follows the hand-amputation verse (Q 5:38): 4/
"But whosoever repents after his wrongdoing, and makes amends, God will relent unto him. Truly God is Forgiving, Merciful" (Q 5:39). This is the truly unique Qur'anic aspect; whereas the punishments are incidental & historical, the Qur'anic theme of forgiveness & mercy... 5/
as well as reform, rehabilitation, & reconciliation carries throughout the Qur'anic message, including even its discussion of murder (contrary to popular opinion, the Qur'an calls for forgiveness & amnesty here) & even war (here again, forgiveness & amnesty are the ideal)... 6/
How you could not see why a modern Muslim would see this as a valuable message is beyond me. Yet, you stick with your ahistorical & presentist analysis, which is of course tied intimately to the Islamist & fundamentalist discourse as a parasite needs its host. 7/
Coming to "sex slavery," you are again being ahistorical, presentist, & decontextualist, since this is the name of your game. What is really being discussed is concubinage, a relationship that has existed for a very long time & cannot be reduced to mere "sex slavery." 8/
Here too the Qur'an did not introduce slavery nor concubinage. Instead, throughout the Qur'an we find a liberatory message, "And what will make you know what the steep path is? It is the freeing of a slave" (Q 90:12-3). A multitude of verses stress the virtue of emancipation. 9/
Contrary to the traditional narrative, the Qur'an even closes the door to slave acquisition through war (Q 47:4). Although the Qur'an stops short of full abolition of slavery, it neither sanctions any form of slave acquisition, leaving us to conclude that... 10/
what is being discussed are those slaves already in bondage, bought & sold as they are. Even here, however, the Qur'an calls to emancipate them. No less than William G. Clarence Smith in his monumental study expressed surprise that early Muslims did not go on to appreciate... 11/
this emancipatory ethic. I argue that they did, but they unfortunately limited this to fellow Muslims & were blinded by theological bigotry towards non-Muslims, thereby sustaining the slave trade. Coming back to the point, however, it is not difficult to see why a reformist 12/
like me or @AkyolinEnglish would find inspiration in the Qur'an for forgiveness & mercy--as well as an emancipatory ethic. So, when we read the Qur'an in this sensible, contextualized, & historical way, we are not "enabling Islamism" as you say, but rather... 13/
striking at its very heart, using what they claim to follow ("Qur'an is our law") against them. The very reasonableness of this interpretation also strikes at your narrative, which--like I said--is a parasite to its Islamist host. 14/
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29 Apr
The idea -- that the Ḥudūd are meant only as a deterrent & almost never to be enforced in actuality -- is a fully mainstream opinion amongst traditional scholars, past & present, to such an extent that certain exemplary punishments -- including stoning & hand amputation-- 1/
were only rarely applied. I recall a claim made by Ibn Taymiyya, for example, that the stoning punishment had never actually been enforced based on witnesses alone (as opposed to self-confession) from the time of the Prophet to his time. I will need to dig this up... 2/
but Prof. @JonathanACBrown cites similar statements, including this: "In the roughly five hundred years that the Ottoman Empire ruled Constantinople, records show that only one instance of stoning for adultery took place... 3/
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29 Apr
Did someone pay you to throw me this softball? Well, thank you for teeing me up this way. Much appreciated! In point of fact, there is actual scholarship on this very topic & you should at least exhibit a cursory awareness of it, my friend. 1/
These statements are considered highly problematic & doubtful, & are almost certainly back-projections onto the Prophet & ʿUmar. They are put into the Prophet's mouth as a deathbed pronouncement, which you should know are very convenient & therefore of highly doubtful nature, 2/
especially when it counters earlier Qur'anic/Prophetic policy & just happens to line up with later highly crystallized theological views. But, of course, you won't take my word for it since I am a Muslim, so I would refer you to Harry Munt's peer-reviewed article on it... 3/
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28 Apr
Well, I think both discourses are correct since they are directed at different audiences, with different purposes in mind. One is directed internally & the other externally; both are correct & at play: 1) rioting & looting is generally harmful; 2) yet, they are understandable 1/
in the context of greater discrimination, unfair systems, socio-economic inequalities & injustices, etc. Ultimately, the video, made by the right-wing Daily Caller, gets both things wrong. First, the fact that many black people in the video opposed rioting/looting dispels... 2/
right-wing stereotypes of that community. Second, the statements made by the suburban white folks in that video were also reasonable & well-placed. Overall, the video may be food for thought but not as the Daily Caller wants us to take it. 3/
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28 Apr
I agree with Prof. @JonathanACBrown & would also point out, along these lines, that another element that is woefully ignored is the decades-long support of right-wing Islamist forces by Western countries (US/UK/Israel) in a bid to counter nationalism & as a part of... 1/
Cold War politics. They engineered this wave of right-wing Islamism & then, in a morbid irony, switched to seeing the green crescent as the enemy when the same foe it was propped up against, i.e. the red sickle, was no longer seen as a credible threat & boogieman. 2/
I had always been aware of this connection but only recently have I started to understand the true extent of this link, thanks to a colleague who pointed me in this direction. The riposte to this idea is always to gripe about how it's convenient for Muslims to blame the West. 3/
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28 Apr
These are not difficult questions to answer. As many modern hermeneuts have argued, we need to first determine what is essential & what is accidental to the Qur'anic discourse. You can well understand this from a verse you yourself would be keen on citing in regard to war. 1/
The Qur'an says to prepare against the enemy "steeds of war." The question arises: do we understand the "steeds" (i.e. horses) as essential or accidental to the Qur'anic discourse? It seems obvious to say that this is accidental, related to the contingent historical context. 2/
What is essential, meanwhile, is the overall message: be prepared against your enemies so that they don't attack you. This is what is transhistorical & universal in the Qur'anic discourse, not the specificity of "steeds of war." 3/
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27 Apr
Instead of issuing a long, drawn-out response, I've decided to just engage @XGONDALX & you here. Your first point is one that you continually bring up, which is your claim that I am "inconsistent" in my methodology in regard to Ḥadīth. But, in reality... 1/
It is you & @XGONDALX who are highly inconsistent & opportunistic in your methodology, including in this regard. Quite frankly, you will use any methodology or strategy, so long as it results in a negative image of Islam. This is apparent in your strategy to deal with... 2/
the Islamic sources. The great inconsistency of your work is that you insist on using modern secular scholarship when it comes to the recent findings on the Qur'an. These complicate traditional narratives, as you well know, & you (@XGONDALX) have made a whole series of videos 3/
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