In other words, whites aren't nearly as interested in going to the specialized high schools as Asians are (and the whites who are interested are disproportionately immigrants).
In fact, whites and Asians get accepted at almost identical rates.
But whites aren't interested in the specialized high schools.
That's a problem. That is, by the way, ALWAYS the problem that people are trying to fix by ending the test. They *say* they want more diversity. But what they *want* is more whites.
And the way to get more whites is to get fewer Asians, not because Asians are too smart, but because Americans (and I mean Americans, not whites) find Asian immigrant culture incredibly unpleasant. Too obsessed with grades over ability and depth.
You can think that's unfair. Doesn't matter. The push to end test schools is a push to end Asian obsession with getting into these schools, and get more whites. More whites = more willingness to support public schools and not leave for private.
Now, that's not what the NYTimes reporter says, but that's not because she doesn't know the real story, but because she's saying the shit she's suppose to say, which Podhoretz is too ignorant to understand.
So focus hard: the push to end test schools is not a push to end meritocracy. Whites manage to have really good schools with great culture, a reasonable chunk of diversity, and they are schools that smart blacks want to go to, which is why *they* aren't taking the test, either.
Asian *immigrant* education culture, particularly Chinese, Indian, Korean, is unattractive to Americans. We don't like it. Trust me, Podhoretz wouldn't for a second put his kids in an all Asian school.
THis is not a rant against Asians. I get it. And I firmly believe it's the responsibility of schools to *not* reward behavior that we find really unattractive and inconsistent with intelligence and education. But we do. And this is what happens.
This is also why colleges discriminate against Asians. They want enough of them to keep average SAT scores high, but not enough to kill the culture that they value. So they literally just pick enough of the swotters to keep scores high without any regard for individual value.
Conservative failure to grok this is really, really annoying. Because they are so eager to shit all over whites who reject this system that they ignore whether or not it makes sense to devote 8 public schools and resources to an almost entirely foreign-born population.
Because if it comes to spending more $ on services for poor NYC Americans or spending resources on Asian and Eastern European immigrants who come over here at 8 and spend 5 years prepping for a test, I am ALL in favor of taking removing exclusively immigrant schools.
So everyone pay attention to the hardcore truth at the heart of this rant:
Test only schools are Asian because whites don't want to go there, and whites don't want to go there because the schools are Asian.
Whites have really good schools without the tests.
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@CandideIII@Steve_Sailer@jbarro Doesn't matter, as I keep saying, as colleges have been weighting grades far more than SAT scores for close to 20 years. And the reason Asians have moved ahead is a combo of things, but major change in test is part of it.
@CandideIII@Steve_Sailer@jbarro That is, the issue is grades, not test scores. And elites going to private schools are getting very good grades. There was just a study showing private school grade inflation is greater than public. blogs.edweek.org/edweek/high_sc…
@CandideIII@Steve_Sailer@jbarro The white kids getting hit hard by the Asian dominance in grades are not the elites that Douthat is yapping about, but the middle and upper middle class--the kids that are being shut out of the elite publics by Asian grades and don't have the connections or money for private unis
@Steve_Sailer@CharlesNegy I still don't think that's quite right, although I agree that Asians did lose a key battle because Napolitano is no longer concerned about white support. But it's grades, more than SAT scores, that hurts whites vis a vis Asians.
@Steve_Sailer@CharlesNegy It was the post 1997 change, when the UCs made GPA 75% of the admission decision, that Asians dominated over whites. Meanwhile, blacks and Hispanics in majority minority schools, had GPAs they could never achieve in diverse high schools. educationrealist.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/gpa…
@Steve_Sailer@CharlesNegy I would argue that whites simply have quit trying to get into the UCs. Unless their kid has a 4.0 in their sophomore year, there's no point in even trying. It's gotten worse since 2006, after the second SAT change, when they reduced the weight of the subject tests.....
1. Burr, etc, sold their stock, knowing that investors would panic. 2. Investors panicked. 3. Because investors panicked, pressure on fed/states grew even though public less than concerned. 4. Quarantine, creating real econ depression. 5. WSJ--hey, maybe panic was dumb.
But panic is what the *investors* did, not the public. No matter how dire the politicians got, no matter how serious the warnings, there are *lots* of people who think this is nonsense.
So it's hideous that Burr lied, but any non-Senator could have sold in January as well.
The media really doesn't understand its role in this, which is pretty horrible. They CREATED the pressures. Along with lawyers. Because what any modern society needs is an activist media and eager lawyers.
On my drive up here, I was listening to @JonahDispatch and @smarick on The Remnant. It was very wonky, on things I don't usually fuss about, but there was like a five minute interlude I found very interesting--I mean, the whole thing was fine, but this was revealing.
@JonahDispatch@smarick Jonah was going on about how our ed schools present a Zinnian version of the universe, and that this is what teachers are taught and go out and teach their kids.
Andy Smarick pushed back , saying yeah, that's what the top schools do, but teachers are ideologically diverse
@JonahDispatch@smarick Jonah responded by saying yeah, but you know how all reporters want to work for the Times and the Post (pre-internet), so they all skew left, so too do teachers.
The next time all the reform yutzes talk about "getting kids away from failing schools", remember that it's the lawsuits that *prevent* schools from protecting non-sped kids from out of control sped kids that do a lot to create "failing schools", particularly at ES level.
I mean, this is basically what Pondiscio's book describes SA doing to kids with far fewer problems, and lots of folks said whoooohooo go Success Academy!
What we used to do was create separate schools for severely disabled kids. The parents sued. Hence mainstreaming.
Here's a terrible thing: no matter what you do, severely disabled kids will have tough lives in institutional settings.