Ok. Let's do it. Clubhouse at 9 PM ET where I will do a 10-15 Min summary of the history and context of the current escalation, then open it up for discussion. I will try to record my portion and post it on Patreon later.
Starting in 5 min for those interested in a 15 min summary of the history and discussion of the current situation. Same username as my twitter.
So it appears I recorded the whole thing without volume. I may have to repeat as a Podcast, but really appreciate everyone who joined, asked questions etc.
Btw can I just say that trying to fit in the whole history of Israel and the Palestinians into a 15-20 minute rambling lecture was not easy. I could probably have talked about that for another hour or 2.
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Fine. I don't think the history is the priority here because you have to deal with the reality that's on the ground now, but let's talk about the history for those actually interested.
Around WWI stretching to post-WWII, several European countries controlled most of the ME via a series of colonies/mandates. Among them was a mandate called Palestine in modern-day Israel/Jordan. Those European countries slowly started dividing up the ME into free countries.
That is how most ME countries were formed around that time, not just Israel.
In 1917, Britain released the Balfour declaration committing to eventually form a Jewish homeland within the mandate of Palestine.
Notice not one of these outraged responses actually disputes Hamas was using the building. The idea here is that Hamas should be able to use media orgs as shields (the deal those orgs knowingly make with Hamas) without consequences.
Everyone knows the deal in Gaza. Hamas lets those news orgs operate as long as they only report things Hamas approves of and provides cover for them. Those orgs might feel that deal is worth it, but that doesn't mean those trying to stop terrorism should just accept it.
What is Israel allowed to target in response to thousands of indiscriminate rockets?
Can't target the terrorists bc they use humans as shields, can't use disinformation to separate them bc media also fooled, and can't target their buildings bc they share those w news orgs...
Shadi has spent days doing this and it’s rather revealing. His idea of “proportional” is for more Israelis to have been killed and he consistently ignores that death toll includes a lot of Hamas fighters and Palestinians killed by Hamas rockets.
When your main argument is that things would be better if the terrorists indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians had been more successful, it’s probably not a great argument.
One side is protecting their citizens = less deaths. Other side is trying to kill anyone possible.
I try not to be too personal on this account and I am not someone that hates people who disagree with me politically, but it's not easy to watch members of Congress and celebrities openly act as propagandists for terrorists that consistently try to kill my family.
Exactly 30 minutes ago a rocket hit the apartment building where I spent my summers with my grandparents as a kid.
Sorry if I take it personally when someone pretends those rockets are justified and that Israel has no right/obligation to protect the people in that building.
I don't want one innocent Israeli or Palestinian hurt, but it's insane that anyone does not recognize it's the terrorist group using innocent Palestinians as human shields while trying to kill innocent Israelis that's responsible for all of this.
The level of dishonesty here from @shadihamid is really something. On the left, Israel trying to inflict pain on Hamas = inflict pain on Palestinians. But when it comes to responsibility for the rockets on the right, you can't conflate the two.
No one actually believes that Israel is trying to inflict maximum pain on innocent Palestinians. They could wipe out Gaza in minutes if that was the goal. Someone actually concerned w Palestinian lives would be pissed at Hamas for valuing them so little & endangering them.
None of these people care about Palestinians being killed by Hamas rockets falling short or even take 2 seconds to condemn them for creating a conflict that inevitably would lead to a response. Only problem is Israel's response, but they can't explain a proper one.
Again, only one side is actively trying to kill the other. If even 5% of Israel's airstrikes were actually aiming to kill Palestinian civilians, the death toll would be 10X what it is now. Only one side is defending lives here, the other (Hamas) is trying to take them.
Israel could completely destroy Hamas in less than 2 hours & end all the rockets. It would come with a huge Palestinian death toll though. Instead, Israel is letting their kids sleep in bomb shelters and putting Israeli lives at risk to avoid having to kill innocent Palestinians.