Fine. I don't think the history is the priority here because you have to deal with the reality that's on the ground now, but let's talk about the history for those actually interested.
Around WWI stretching to post-WWII, several European countries controlled most of the ME via a series of colonies/mandates. Among them was a mandate called Palestine in modern-day Israel/Jordan. Those European countries slowly started dividing up the ME into free countries.
That is how most ME countries were formed around that time, not just Israel.
In 1917, Britain released the Balfour declaration committing to eventually form a Jewish homeland within the mandate of Palestine.
That led to a huge spike of immigration of Jews to the British mandate (which Jews considered to be their ancestral homeland). The native population was not happy about that (as tends to happen w large waves of immigration), which led to a lot of clashes/violence.
Rise of Nazi Germany leads to more danger for Jews in Europe and more immigration. Leader of the Arabs in Palestine, Haj Amin al-Husseini, even traveled to meet Hitler in Berlin in 41 to try to convince him to help with the "Jewish problem".
After WWII, with the uN forming and US pressure, Britain and others are urged to give up remaining areas.
In 1947, UK partitioned an area they controlled into 2 countries. I'm talking about them spitting up India and forming India and Pakistan, of course.
A lot of people don't realize that partition took place the same year because it was generally acceptable so you didn't have a displaced population, resulting war etc.
Unlike the partition plan for the mandate of Palestine.
In 1947, United Nations provides a similar partition plan for Palestine that would split it up into an Arab and Jewish country (thereby fulfilling the UK commitment from 1917). Jews accepted it, the Arab population and the surrounding Arab states did not.
This is where the stolen land myth originates. The Arab states unwilling to accept a Jewish state there band together and 5 armies invade/attack the newly formed Jewish state. Many of the Jews had immigrated after WWII so had experience fighting wars.
The next part is a little more controversial. Those Arab countries did tell the local Arab population to clear out until they could defeat/expel the Jews, but it was also a brutal war, and Jews also expelled some of the Arab population.
The Arab armies were defeated.
Israel was thus formed in 1948. Arab armies withdrew. The areas you now know as Gaza and West Bank were annexed by Jordan and Egypt (along with their Arab populations). Imp context is Jordan also expelled all Jews from the West Bank at that point.
Also important context is that most Arab countries then began several decades of policies meant to expel Jews from their countries. Overall, 850K Jews were ethnically cleansed from the Arab states over a few decades and overwhelmingly moved to Israel.
Meanwhile, those same Arab states had no interest in letting the Palestinian Arabs assimilate into their societies. Instead, they were treated like permanent refugees.
1967 comes around and the Arab states still fuming over their loss in 47-48 prepare for another crack at it.
Another war is started over an attempt to destroy Israel, but once again the Arab states are quickly defeated. That leads to Israel taking control of Gaza and the West Bank from Jordan and Egypt. That's where you end up with a lot of the current dilemma.
Israel now had control of land with an Arab population that didn't want it to exist, but Jordan and Egypt also didn't particularly want the land back because they didn't want responsibility for the Palestinian Arabs there. Arafat and the PLO start operating out of Jordan.
However, Arafat & PLO soon start using Jordan as a base for a lot of terrorism. Jordan's rulers get tired of it and end up going to war and massacring a bunch of Palestinians ("Black September"). Jordan kicks PLO out to Lebanon, which then post-civil war expels them to Tunisia.
Israel however has the ongoing problem of controlling land that they need for security reasons but with a population that has no interest in becoming Israelis and wants the state's destruction. That's how you end up with eventual recognition of the PLO and peace talks.
You then have quite a few agreements that all amount to Israel saying we will give up aspects of control of this land and give Palestinians more autonomy in exchange for promises of security. Each time the autonomy was conceded, but the security was short-lived.
Then with the peace process going nowhere, Israel takes a controversial/unilateral step in 2005 of completely withdrawing from Gaza & giving Palestinians full control of the area. More controversial, they forcibly remove all the Jews/settlements living outside the planned border.
The idea there was that Israel would not have constant engagements and Palestinians would get a chance to show what they would do with an autonomous state. In Jan 2006, Palestinians have elections where they select Hamas, a designated terrorist group, to take control.
Palestinians have no held elections since, but some were planned this year (imp context for the current escalation). Hamas devotes all the money/aid they get to stockpiling weapons (thus the thousands of rockets) and preparing for future offensive attacks on Israel.
There is plenty of stuff that I omitted, but that's the basic history of how we ended up here. Like I said, I don't think the history is as important except in how some people abuse it to try to justify bad behavior now.
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Ok. Let's do it. Clubhouse at 9 PM ET where I will do a 10-15 Min summary of the history and context of the current escalation, then open it up for discussion. I will try to record my portion and post it on Patreon later.
Starting in 5 min for those interested in a 15 min summary of the history and discussion of the current situation. Same username as my twitter.
So it appears I recorded the whole thing without volume. I may have to repeat as a Podcast, but really appreciate everyone who joined, asked questions etc.
Notice not one of these outraged responses actually disputes Hamas was using the building. The idea here is that Hamas should be able to use media orgs as shields (the deal those orgs knowingly make with Hamas) without consequences.
Everyone knows the deal in Gaza. Hamas lets those news orgs operate as long as they only report things Hamas approves of and provides cover for them. Those orgs might feel that deal is worth it, but that doesn't mean those trying to stop terrorism should just accept it.
What is Israel allowed to target in response to thousands of indiscriminate rockets?
Can't target the terrorists bc they use humans as shields, can't use disinformation to separate them bc media also fooled, and can't target their buildings bc they share those w news orgs...
Shadi has spent days doing this and it’s rather revealing. His idea of “proportional” is for more Israelis to have been killed and he consistently ignores that death toll includes a lot of Hamas fighters and Palestinians killed by Hamas rockets.
When your main argument is that things would be better if the terrorists indiscriminately firing rockets at civilians had been more successful, it’s probably not a great argument.
One side is protecting their citizens = less deaths. Other side is trying to kill anyone possible.
I try not to be too personal on this account and I am not someone that hates people who disagree with me politically, but it's not easy to watch members of Congress and celebrities openly act as propagandists for terrorists that consistently try to kill my family.
Exactly 30 minutes ago a rocket hit the apartment building where I spent my summers with my grandparents as a kid.
Sorry if I take it personally when someone pretends those rockets are justified and that Israel has no right/obligation to protect the people in that building.
I don't want one innocent Israeli or Palestinian hurt, but it's insane that anyone does not recognize it's the terrorist group using innocent Palestinians as human shields while trying to kill innocent Israelis that's responsible for all of this.
The level of dishonesty here from @shadihamid is really something. On the left, Israel trying to inflict pain on Hamas = inflict pain on Palestinians. But when it comes to responsibility for the rockets on the right, you can't conflate the two.
No one actually believes that Israel is trying to inflict maximum pain on innocent Palestinians. They could wipe out Gaza in minutes if that was the goal. Someone actually concerned w Palestinian lives would be pissed at Hamas for valuing them so little & endangering them.
None of these people care about Palestinians being killed by Hamas rockets falling short or even take 2 seconds to condemn them for creating a conflict that inevitably would lead to a response. Only problem is Israel's response, but they can't explain a proper one.
Again, only one side is actively trying to kill the other. If even 5% of Israel's airstrikes were actually aiming to kill Palestinian civilians, the death toll would be 10X what it is now. Only one side is defending lives here, the other (Hamas) is trying to take them.
Israel could completely destroy Hamas in less than 2 hours & end all the rockets. It would come with a huge Palestinian death toll though. Instead, Israel is letting their kids sleep in bomb shelters and putting Israeli lives at risk to avoid having to kill innocent Palestinians.