Thread by @swardley

X : Have you played Cyberpunk 2077.
Me : I have
X : And?
Me : Enormous potential ... wasted by launching far too early. It's going to be a long slog for them to recover but if they stick at it then it could be great.
X : How long?
Me : A couple of years at least ...

... a lot depends upon them getting the modding community behind them. They need to work on that, building a community, providing tools. Not sure they're really geared up for that and they have so many issues to sort out with the game. So close to greatness but yet ... so far.

X : Multiplayer? Third person perspective?
Me : If you want to waste time, I'm sure some will be glad. They need to build out the immersion aspect, the story, fix the AI, fix ... oh, gosh ... so much. But the potential is there to build something truly amazing. Won't be easy.

X : What beats it?
Me : Do you mean what is the gold standard?
X : Yes.
Me : A well modded Skyrim SE game still probably destroys everything. The community is vast, the tools exceptional etc and that was despite the creation club's best efforts to mess everything up.

... what Skyrim SE has failed to do however is to find an effective way of integrating the best of the modifications into the core game. There is so much wasted potential. One day we will get there.

X : You thought Cyberpunk 2077 might be that game?
Me : I did. Of course, first thing I asked was where are the modding tools. There were none ... that's pretty much a red flag from the beginning. It's 2021, it's like they had never noticed Minecraft or Skyrim ...

... the idea that the next generation are going to sit there watching your narrative (no matter how immersive you make it) and not want to re-imagine the world in their way ... it's very 1990s TV thinking. There is so much wrong with it.