Ok, so this ill-informed take has been bouncing around twitter for a day, so let's put it out of my misery.
@pegobry here is just wrong about the Sacred Band and thus has managed the rare feat of being wrong about something in the ancient world we are fairly certain about. 1/19
Ancient evidence being what it is (acoup.blog/2021/03/26/fir…), almost everything in ancient history comes with at least some residual uncertainty, but this fellow has managed to pick something quite certain to be wrong about.
So let's go through the evidence. 2/19
Plutarch is our clearest source and he relates (Plut. Pelop. 18.1-2, but also in the Moralia, etc) that the Theban Sacred Band, formed by Gorgidas, was "three hundred chosen men...some say composed of lovers and beloved." 3/19
Lest we fix on that ἔνιοι δέ φασιν ('but some say'), Plutarch then goes on for a whole section about the benefits in cohesion offered by such an arrangement (complete with a requisite quote from Homer...because Plutarch)... 4/19
...and wraps up with an anecdote from Philip II who having seen the band fall to a man at Chaeronea is said to have declared - if I may translate idiomatically - "Anyone who thinks these guys did or experienced anything disgraceful should die in a fire." 5/19
Now of course the fact that Philip has to say this (or Plutarch thinks he does) might suggest the degree of discomfort Plutarch has with this institution (c.f. Xenophon's discomfort with Spartan pederastic bonding, Xen. Lac. 2.12-14). 6/19
This isn't the place to get into Greek attitudes towards homosexuality and pederasty, but they were complex (by the by, Roman attitudes are, contra the original thread, very much *NOT* a good guide to Greek attitudes - they were very different!). 7/19
Plutarch isn't alone in this though. Polyaenus (2.5.1) gives an unambiguous report; the English translation you'll see reads that they were "devoted to each other by mutual obligations of love" but this is a rather circumspect way to read the Greek. 8/19
The Greek reads, "ὁ λόχος ἦν ἐρασταὶ καὶ ἐρώμενοι τριακόσιοι."
"The lochos (unit) were 300 lovers and beloveds" - ἐρασταὶ and ἐρώμενοι are the same terms Plutarch uses and are the unambiguous technical terms for men in a physical homosexual relationship. 9/19
Athenaeus of Naucratis (13.78) also reports this. Once again, the public domain translations you'll find (Yonge: "For in the presence of his favourite, a man would chose to do anything rather than get the character of a coward") are rather less blunt than the Greek. 10/19
The Greek reads something closer to, "A lover, in the presence of his darling boy (παιδικῶν - it's an idiomatic use of παιδικός - adj. meaning 'boyish' but see the LSJ entry, A.III.2 for the substantive use meaning something like 'boyfriend' or 'darling')... 11/19
...would do anything rather than think himself to have been taken as a coward by his darling."
To be clear, both 'lover' and 'darling' here are explicitly male, Greek being one of those languages with clear grammatical genders. 12/19
Athenaeus then provides the Sacred Band of Thebes (he thinks it was founded by Epaminondas, not Gorgidas) as an example of this principle in action. 13/19
Now it is true none of these sources are contemporary to the band itself; Plutarch is early second century, Polyaenus is mid/late-second century and Athenaeus is late-second/early-third century.
But there's no alternative tradition here. 14/19
So the original tweet is simply wrong in a lazy, unambiguous way. There are interesting debates to be had over other questions, like if Achilles&Patroclus were intended to be lovers in the text of the Iliad, or the details of Greek attitudes towards homosexuality. 15/19
But this isn't one of those. Honestly, given how limited & often contradictory ancient source material is, how difficult archaeological evidence can be, it is a real challenge to manage to be decisively wrong on a point where there is no uncertainty.
Mission accomplished? 16/19
So, summing up: it is the explicit - and to my knowledge unanimous - testimony of the sources that the Sacred Band did in fact consist of 150 matched pairs of male lovers. 17/19
And also, on no less authority than Philip II, King of the Macedonians, anyone who thinks that fact was disgraceful - presumably understood to include @pegobry - can die in a fire (Plut. Pelop. 18.5)
(He actually says ἀπόλοιντο κακῶς, "Let them perish horribly") 18/19
If you want to read more about the Sacred Band, @JamesRomm has literally *just* written a book about them. I haven't had a chance to read it (yet!!), but Romm won't steer you wrong, so give it a read.
It's focused specifically on Joseph Henrich's recent 'WEIRD' book, but the critique is more broadly useful. 1/9
In some ways, the article's focus on Henrich is actually unfortunate (though this is one of those 'this isn't the article I'd have written things, so grain of salt at the ready) because it leads it into a bit of a rabbit hole about 'the West' particular to that work... 2/9
...whereas to me the more direct issue here - if I may indulge in a strained analogy - is not the particular ugly face mounted on the top of the data-driven pseudo-history statue, but the clay feet at the bottom. 3/9
I keep coming back to the metaphor of a 'playbook' when it comes to pre-modern logistics. I think it is much better than trying to think in terms of a logistics 'system.'
That's not to say that pre-modern logistics is dumb or underdeveloped though.... 1/21
The difference is that prior to railroads, steamships and trucks, logistics (which in that context mostly means the 4Fs - food, fodder, firewood and f-water - hey, alright, it sounded cooler than the 3FnW) is much more sensitive to local conditions. 2/21
The modern brute-force solution of 'transport everything from strategic supply reserves in the home country' isn't possible when overland transport is so expensive and naval transport may be unavailable due to geography, winds, sailing season, etc. 3/21
And to be clear, I'm not dismissing or ripping on the CAS. I'm sure they're pushing hard with the resources they have to do what they can. But I've never gotten the sense their efforts are central to how @scsclassics views itself.
Good thread. 'The discipline and the public culture' want the research work of lots of teaching-track and adjunct historians (and classicists, by the by), but have no idea how - or worse yet, no intention to - fund that. Or really incentivize it at all. 1/20
And it does need to be funded. While a lot of pop history can be written with nothing more than google and a public library (though not necessarily written well!), doing real, rigorous historical research requires expensive resources. 2/20
The books needed for research are often very expensive, meaning that you really need the support of a university library which can buy these things. Research trips to archives or museums to examine primary source material directly are expensive and need to be funded. 3/20
I am going to engage in some #ClassicsDiscourse; you will all have to forgive me.
When I saw that @AntigoneJournal was running a bit by Peter Singer, I was disappointed. When I *read* the bit by Singer I was...confused?
This? This is what you flushed your reputation for?
1/14
I will, I hope, spare you all from reading it (google will provide if you must) but for the better part of 800 words, Singer tells that he had never known about Apuleius' Metamorphoses (aka 'The Golden Ass') until quite recently. "Hey I just read this" - not a great start. 2/14
He concludes, and I am not at all kidding you, that this must be because it is *bad* - because how else would noted ::checks notes:: philosopher, animal rights advocate and eugenicist (careful, that last step is a doozy) have missed it?
First, we need to think about the state of the civ-mil. Is the civ-mil relationship generally good and healthy, as @EmanThinks 's argues?
I think the evidence suggests, no, the combination of changing attitudes and GWOT indicate that the civ-mil relationship is not great, 2/25
I would certainly not be the first to point out that it is a problem the huge gap between public trust in civic institutions and public trust in the military. As Lindsey Cohn noted in 2018 in War on the Rocks (warontherocks.com/2018/03/the-pr…) the growing tendency...3/25