9 years back China didn’t have a single aircraft carrier, now it’s building 3rd. IAC-1 has been under construction on CSL docks for more than 9 years.
China’s 3rd aircraft carrier is in advanced stages of development while India’s shipbuilding stammers! swarajyamag.com/defence/how-ch…
Trying to address the reasons for the perennial delays in Indian defence shipbuilding at Defence shipyards. Ofcourse the usual PSU work culture, unions, and very malignant issue related to a DPSU comes in. But there's more to why our shipyards specifically are too slow!
In any large product mfg, especially those that are complex & few in numbers(unlike tanks/artillery guns), production planning is very critical to get the fastest build out time. Some critical subassemblies might take twice the time to build compared to the superstructure itself.
These are called as the long lead items i.e products that take huge lead times to manufacture. There is no Just In Time(JIT) mfg assembly line for these. Like the propulsion system of the ship, the Missile systems, the radars etc.
The US Navy overcomes this issue by ordering the long lead items & giving up front payments to these suppliers years before the actual keel of the ship is laid by the shipyard. This ensures that by the time the super structure is complete, the subassemblies are ready to be fitted
In IAC's case the GE gas turbine engines, the gearbox, the propeller shafts, the VLS system for Barak-8s, the MF-STAR radar, the L-Band Volume search radar and the aviation complex are all imported and these are all long lead items. Meaning all of these take lot of time to build.
The Indian govt, MoD being the best procurers and with habit of "spreading the costs" over several years, never tend to place the orders on time and do upfront payments to these long lead item suppliers. That leads to the first step in delay of the subsystems.
Also since these are not indigenous companies, there is little control over their supply schedules wherein the govt can push to prioritize production of these items and ensure procurement of secondary and tertiairy raw materials and subsystems for on time production and delivery.
So this further adds to the delay in supply of the subsystems. Now as many would've read, the GE engines, the powertrain system, the Russian aviation complex have all been delayed by various suppliers. The superstructure was just sitting in the shipyard idle.
This is the main reason for the long delays in Indian defence shipbuilding. Ofcourse apart from this the usual day to delays of the DPSU have to be accounted for including errors, occasional thefts(?!!) or fire incident etc.
Where does China scores against us? They build all their subsystems indigenously within China. Hence the Chinese govt has complete control over the full mfg ecosystem and ensures that the subsystems are delivered on time to match the superstructure get completed in the drydock.
The Americans build it ofcourse having all domestic firms but also by placing orders upfront for the long lead items to ensure on time delivery. Even then they encountered few years delay in the building of the USS Gerald Ford Aircraft carrier.
Unless the MoD's procurement policy changes, unless the annual capex budget of the individual services track the procurement necessities of the services for that year rather than a Ministry of Finance offered random number, this delay in shipbuilding will persist.
It is not enough to build the superstructure and then outfit it with all imported items. For timely delivery, we need to build them in India in our time frame to our satisfaction. True aatmanirbhar means to have full control over the mfg of the product in quality and delivery.
This is from the US govt's Congressional Research Service where they have a specific line item for such procurements called as Advanced procurement funding, that'll focus on long lead items and DD/NRE costs of the ship itself.
The procurement sequence and priorities are pretty clear. Orders and funding for such long lead line items are placed few years even before the actual order for the ships are placed. For the USS Enterprise, the AP funding came in 2016 while the actual order for it came in 2018.
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The history of LTTE, Eelam Tamil struggles are far too complex. Tamils who are Indian nationalists have come to accept this mixed history as multiple shades of grey. It'll never be a binary for us unlike either tamil nationalists or the rest of India.
There is absolutely no point either for the larger Indian nationalists who don't understand Eelam history or for the looney tamil nationalists to try to push us take a firm balck and white stand on them as either freedom fighters or as terrorists. It will always be complex for us
Assassinating our PM meant that they need to be eliminated. That's just the writ of the Indian state imposing itself and there can be no compromise. But that doesn't take away the legitimate struggle of the Tamils of the Northern province.
South Korea, a country with a massive and high quality ship building industrial base had the plan to progressively indigenise the Type -209 and within a decade started building its own sub with its own design modifications.
India, that didn’t have the industrial base, had to do
all this and apart from that had to take the extra effort to develop the shipbuilding mfg ecosystem from a low quality low output to a modern 21st century high quality thriving ecosystem. So it was a triple whammy for us in a sense. While have to be accelerating faster than peers
to catch up, we not only slowed down, by not having a plan to progressively indigenise but also stopped from running itself, by shunning what was to be learnt from the HDW. All this, while we were behind the starting point of So Ko in the first place in the 80s.
What’s the scenario by which all the capacity expansions announced by SII and BB in April and gonna come online in July etc could’ve been advanced to January and be had the expanded capacity by April?
Large orders earlier? Mfg grant earlier? Cause clearly demand far outstrips
the supply not just for the Indian population but for the worldwide Covax alliance to which Poonawala has a contractual obligation of another Billion doses. And I’m not convinced by the argument in this article. swarajyamag.com/ideas/the-firs…
.@surajbrf has written a good data driven article laying out the terrain and the story abroad. But we have to adjust for the fact that Japan is not a host to any of the vaccine mfg but India is and Indian govt can push for additional mfg if it had the intent considering the needs
Considering that we lack the product and R&D base in the breadth and depth of most technological domains, there are additional costs involved in developing the labs, hard and software tools to work on design and development that is readily available in the West.
Some will be available COTS but they aren't gonna give for charity. The ugly truth of our startups and MSME companies is that they use cracked version of CAD and CAE engineering software to develop and validate their products cause they simply don't have the money to buy them.
1. We got “AESA Ga As TRM technology” when we got the Phalcon
No we did not get.
2. Why did you want a French radar on the Rafale?
Right. Because the Uttam is at the same level of maturity as the RBE2 AA!! Development cycles be damned.
3. India is a pre-industrial nation
much as I do believe that India is yet to have a 21st century industrial base, to call it a pre-industrial nation incapable of precision engineering at all, is a hyperbole that comes out of a deep hatred for something else than actual reality.
Let me be as frank as possible @dhume. India and many other countries find global liberalism and certain forms of universalism as itself a form of conspiracy by developed countries to not allow us to organise, maintain order and grow peacefully. (1)
How much of inequitable virtues was the industrial revolution that made Europe was built on. It was built on colonisation & oppression of natives and plundering their natural resources. They had order & prosperity at home because they wrecked oppression & plunder abroad. (2)
With regards to America’s rise it is even more appealing. America, literally is a country of tax evading foreigners who came and destroyed native population and brought in slaves from Africa at historical levels to build a nation for 200 years. Americans systematically (3)