Received a lot of queries on this as majority of the view that "IV generally drops post results", so any long vega strategy will lead to a loss and it's better to sell straddles/strangles.

I know that options selling to capture IV crush is a worldwide strategy :)
But what none of the responses have seemed to remember that there is also "generally" a vol expansion before results, generally starts 10 days before results declaration or earlier.
Look what happened to HDFCBANK IVs this time
Simple question : If there has been no vol expansion, can there be a further vol crush ?
Answer can be yes or no, both things possible. But the probabilities favour zero or minimal vol crush. Also remember, the theory of vol crush post results are "generally" , not a surety.
We might also see a vol expansion ( extremely low IVP). The position I have put on is a long vega bullish position. This is what I expect to happen :
1. Stock goes up sharply with slight vol crush : delta>vega --> I win small or do not lose much
2. Stock goes up sharply with vol expansion--> I win
3. Stock falls --> lead to vol expansion
( since I am long vega, I make a small amount or lose very small despite wrong on direction)
4. Stock opens flat with vol crush --> I lose . But the whole vol crush does not happen in first 5 mins. If it opens flat, I will simply sqoff at a small loss or flat

Simply put, the probabilities favour the position making money.
And when we trade, that's what we do. Play the probabilities.

My best bet actually is HDFCBANK moving up or down sharply, direction is immaterial . I will make some.

Did this thread before results come in, so let's see how this plays out on Monday
And the biggest beauty of this position is there is no undefined/unlimited, I don't have to fight to adjust. I can simply book my small losses and walk away 😃
"Normally" or "generally" will give you minor profits. Once you can pick up the "abnormalities", that's where one can get large payoffs due to the convexity of options. And that's what I do as an options buyer, pick on "abnormalities" 😀

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19 Jul
Results trading is one of the biggest plays on options markets worldwide. The theory goes like this :
Before results, IVs shoot up as both bulls and bears buy options expecting a major move in their chosen direction.
Now, it has been a proven theory that IVs "generally" overstate the actual move that happens post results. This has given rise to the famous results trades for options sellers where the sell straddles or strangles in order to capture the volatility crush post results.
Their trades are based on a higher POP per trade but less absolute profits per trade. Some results obviously are totally against any market expectations and the stock makes a huge move. This gives a major delta loss as well as sometimes when IV goes up, also a vega loss whammy.
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18 Jul
Tomorrow we should see extreme volatility given the ongoing newsflow
before pouncing on the ndtv link, learn to do some basic research, else you won't survive long in the markets. See washington post and this :
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16 Jul
Start with R multiples, profit booking becomes mechanical without emotions. I will explain.

Enter at 200, SL 195. Risk(R) = 5. Risk per trade = Rs.2000
Qty = 2000/5 = 400
1. Book profits on 50%( 200 qty) at 1.6R or greater ( 208) and modify SL to 200 ( entry price) (1/n)
2. Book profits on next 25% ( 100 qty) at 2.5R( 212.5) and modify SL to 208
3. Last 25% continue chasing with a R trail of 1R below current price

You may change initial book to 2R also. But minimum profit booking has to be 1.6R or above
even if you are 50% correct on your trades, this money mgmt logic will give you net profits. Now the system/logic you are trading must have that edge and that R expectation of minimum 1.6R on a trade. Below that, you won't win in the long run
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16 Jul
Perhaps you have the idea that calling me " 1 lot Nandy" is somehow derogatory and a easy poke at me. Allow me to explain why I look at this moniker as a badge of honour
I have traded 1 lot continuously twice in my life. The first in 2003 after I blew up on my INFY trade. I traded 1 lot ACC fut consistently and made 50k in a month
The 2nd time in 2013. When I suffered continuous losses for 5-6 months due to a variety of psychological issues. Then I traded 1 lot Nifty options consistently for 3 months. After that 2 lots for next 1 month and slowly increased
Read 8 tweets
16 Jul
Positive divergence on MFI, BALANCE level hit. Took some calls. SL 10 points below day lows on Nifty fut
This is my trade, bought 16k CE. SL now at 35 on the CE
#timepass_trade
Half sold at 43, rest SL to 38.5 ( entry price )
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16 Jul
HDFCBANK trade opened with view on results :
View : Bullish
Strategy: CE Backspread
Sold 1*1520CE at 28 & bought 2*1560CE at 13
Net credit =Rs.2
Payoff diagram for Monday Image
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I will trade all the major results, expect to win max 40% of the trades. Will lose small if wrong, will win large if big. So I am looking at net payoff over at least 10 trades. A single win/loss does not matter. Trade will be sqedoff the day post results, so holding is 1 day
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