I have watched and listened to a bunch of commentary on the Shining (most recently on @youaregoodpod) and people keep talking about how the movie makes Jack unsympathetic and, like, yes? The book & movie form a Rashomon of POV from abuser & abused.
Like, I feel like @Remember_Sarah came closer than anyone I've ever heard talk about it on a podcast or documentary or whatever when she noted that the movie feels like a companion piece to the book or a commentary on it rather than an adaptation, but still didn't quite go there.
Like, of COURSE in the book Jack and Wendy actually seem to have some affection for each other, whereas in the movie, they don't.
For Jack, who doesn't WANT to be an abusive husband, he can still love Wendy and remember why they're together.
For Wendy and Danny, trapped with an abuser who literally broke his son's arm and has out of control anger issues that lead to him torturing them, it's a lot harder to remember when things were better.
Of COURSE in the book (Jack's perspective), he does actual work.
And of course in the movie, Wendy just quietly does it all while Jack rants about his responsibilities.
Of COURSE in the book (Jack's perspective), he has redeeming qualities.
And of course from the point of view of the wife and son trapped with an abuser, he's a monster.
And I think the reason for the switch is because they are both horror, but the medium matters.
If the horror is being an abuser who is struggling not to be one, the drama is largely internal, which works great in book format.
That's a LOT harder to do well on screen.
On the other hand, it's pretty straightforward to do the horror of being a woman trapped with a man who wants to kill you in movie form. It's practically an entire genre.
and of course this is an oversimplification--the movie obviously spends a lot of time showing us what Jack sees, but most of the big scares are from Wendy and Danny's POV because that's the drama here
It's hard to do horror from the POV of the most powerful person in the film, since horror is largely about powerLESSness
again, if the horror is feeling yourself transform, you can do that with a powerful character, but it's hard to do a purely mental transformation onscreen without an internal monologue, which often comes across as silly or stilted
again, works on the page, not so much onscreen
And I feel like the first two images (in the first tweet of this thread) that come up when you search "the shining book" and "the shining movie" sort of illustrate the difference.
The book cover centers on Jack, and Wendy is in the background, inscrutable, the sort of image of women you see in ads, with no sense of an inner life
The iconic movie shot shows Jack as a grinning monster (without much of an inner life) and Wendy as a terrified human being
omg, men, I am SO not interested in your "but Kubrick RUINED the book" whining
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Another big part of why Christian atheists have trouble seeing how Christian they still are is that Christianity advertises itself as being modular, which is not how belief systems have worked for most of human history. (1/x)
So a selling point of Christianity has always been the idea that it's plug-and-play: you don't have to stop being Irish or Korean or Nigerian to be Christian, you don't have to learn a new language, you keep your culture and just also be Christian.
Evangelicals in particular love to contrast this to Islam, to the idea that you have to learn Arabic and adopt elements of Arab culture to be Muslim, which helps fuel the image of Islam as a Foreign Ideology that's taking over the West.
Less obvious baked-in societal Christian attitudes revolve around forgiveness, how to handle wrongdoing, the existence of evil, etc.
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus Hell, someone just did a great thread on how the difference between Stephen King’s and Stanley Kubrick’s versions of the Shining is the difference between Christian and Jewish concepts of evil.
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus We have different ethics (Jewish values strongly lean communitarian; Protestants are individualistic, Catholics tend toward the middle). Christian thought tends to be suspicious of ambiguity; Jewish though tends to be suspicious of certainty.
Christian atheists object to being identified as having come from Christian backgrounds for the same reason men object if you start putting “male” in front of words like “doctor.”
A big part of power and privilege is the invisibility of belonging to a specific group, because it positions you as the unquestioned (and therefore justified) default. It means that your perspective is objective, unlike those agenda-driven marginalized people.
And all of that protects the status quo. Any marginalized person who wants to change it is self-interested and agenda-driven.
But the fact that you are NOT neutral in your pushback, that your self-interested agenda is trying to preserve the status quo, is occluded.
ah yes, the most white, male, Christian reaction in the world
if someone says I said something antisemitic/sexist/racist, etc. instead of doing any self-examination I'm going to freak out and accuse them of being in bad faith
Organized Christian Zionism started with Luther and Calvin in the 1500s. When Jews wouldn't convert to their brands of Christianity, they were like "send them back to Israel so they can die in the End Times."
Organized Jewish Zionism didn't get off the ground until 1700s.
The Puritans, who were awful in every possible way, were super-into this idea, btw.
But yeah, the footnotes to the Geneva Bible (1560s-1570s) were pushing the idea of the End Times as centered on Palestine and that the Jews needed to be sent back there for it to happen.
Other churches that were big proponents of it included the Moravians, the Methodists, and the British Baptists.