Less obvious baked-in societal Christian attitudes revolve around forgiveness, how to handle wrongdoing, the existence of evil, etc.
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus Hell, someone just did a great thread on how the difference between Stephen King’s and Stanley Kubrick’s versions of the Shining is the difference between Christian and Jewish concepts of evil.
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus We have different ethics (Jewish values strongly lean communitarian; Protestants are individualistic, Catholics tend toward the middle). Christian thought tends to be suspicious of ambiguity; Jewish though tends to be suspicious of certainty.
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus We view authority differently. Christians tend toward centralized authority; Jews tend toward authority being located in the community itself. That goes for textual authority too.
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus It goes for how we read our central texts. Christians tend to view important texts earnestly; Jews tend to view them playfully (which for us is not incompatible with taking them seriously).
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus It affects how we view ritual, whether religious or secular/traditional/political. It affects how we view the leadership (for Christians, authority is pretty sacred; Jews view it as a duty to yell at people in power (the primary role of the prophet)).
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus It affects how we view the role of charity in society, and the responsibility of the government toward the poor. It affects how we view things like abortion (required in Judaism if the health of the mother is at stake).
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus It affects our end-games. For Christians, the end-game is apocalypse (which affects non-religious assumptions about politics). For Jews, there’s no end of the world disaster on the horizon: there’s humanity figuring shit out and living in peace. Star Trek society, basically.
@science_gamer@whatanerd@unclefeezus It affects tolerance for dissenting opinions. For us, you get in by birth or adoption, so what you believe doesn’t affect your membership. For Christians, you get in by belief. And that affects non-religious groups’ formation.
And all of this stuff affects baked-in assumptions about how people work, about how society works, about how reality works that don’t go away just because you stop believing in God.
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Another big part of why Christian atheists have trouble seeing how Christian they still are is that Christianity advertises itself as being modular, which is not how belief systems have worked for most of human history. (1/x)
So a selling point of Christianity has always been the idea that it's plug-and-play: you don't have to stop being Irish or Korean or Nigerian to be Christian, you don't have to learn a new language, you keep your culture and just also be Christian.
Evangelicals in particular love to contrast this to Islam, to the idea that you have to learn Arabic and adopt elements of Arab culture to be Muslim, which helps fuel the image of Islam as a Foreign Ideology that's taking over the West.
Christian atheists object to being identified as having come from Christian backgrounds for the same reason men object if you start putting “male” in front of words like “doctor.”
A big part of power and privilege is the invisibility of belonging to a specific group, because it positions you as the unquestioned (and therefore justified) default. It means that your perspective is objective, unlike those agenda-driven marginalized people.
And all of that protects the status quo. Any marginalized person who wants to change it is self-interested and agenda-driven.
But the fact that you are NOT neutral in your pushback, that your self-interested agenda is trying to preserve the status quo, is occluded.
ah yes, the most white, male, Christian reaction in the world
if someone says I said something antisemitic/sexist/racist, etc. instead of doing any self-examination I'm going to freak out and accuse them of being in bad faith
I have watched and listened to a bunch of commentary on the Shining (most recently on @youaregoodpod) and people keep talking about how the movie makes Jack unsympathetic and, like, yes? The book & movie form a Rashomon of POV from abuser & abused.
Like, I feel like @Remember_Sarah came closer than anyone I've ever heard talk about it on a podcast or documentary or whatever when she noted that the movie feels like a companion piece to the book or a commentary on it rather than an adaptation, but still didn't quite go there.
Like, of COURSE in the book Jack and Wendy actually seem to have some affection for each other, whereas in the movie, they don't.
For Jack, who doesn't WANT to be an abusive husband, he can still love Wendy and remember why they're together.
Organized Christian Zionism started with Luther and Calvin in the 1500s. When Jews wouldn't convert to their brands of Christianity, they were like "send them back to Israel so they can die in the End Times."
Organized Jewish Zionism didn't get off the ground until 1700s.
The Puritans, who were awful in every possible way, were super-into this idea, btw.
But yeah, the footnotes to the Geneva Bible (1560s-1570s) were pushing the idea of the End Times as centered on Palestine and that the Jews needed to be sent back there for it to happen.
Other churches that were big proponents of it included the Moravians, the Methodists, and the British Baptists.