Thread by @TheUfoJoe

1 We need the scientific method to figure this out! Or do we?

Karla Turner - 1994 NJ Lecture: "Some of you have been studying UFOs since the 50s or the 60s. Maybe some since the 40s. And u were looking at lights in the sky, u were looking at craft on

2 KT: "radar. We've had scientists out there trained to measure angles of descent to test for landing traces, trajectories, to corroborate witnesses. What color were the lights, what shape was the craft, where did it go, where did it come from? And scientific equipment of every

3 KT: "sort has been focused on the UFO phenomenon for 50 years. And many groups, like @mufon and others, claim that the scientific approach is the only approach we should use, & it's the only way we're going to get answers. And my friends, I can challenge everyone one of them,

4 KT: "and I have to their faces, to tell me after 50 years of scientific investigation, have you learned who these creatures are, where they come from, or why they're here? Is there anyone who has learned this with a scientific approach, that you know of? MUFON itself has not

5 KT: "been able to give me one reply. I spoke @ the MUFON International Symposium this summer & I made the same challenge and all I got was silence. Science is not going to penetrate this. It is not capable, as it is now, to penetrate what is going on because this is above

6 : KT: "the three-dimensional, scientific paradigm that science holds on to as if it were a holy crusade to not move past it. And we have to move past it if we're going to make any headway. The UFO community resisted the abduction reports more vigorously than anyone, in the

7 KT: "beginning. Did you know that? Remember the first few reports? 'This can't be! Yes, people can see craft but certainly they're not seeing anybody in them. They're obviously empty. There's nobody flying them.' And if anyone claimed to have actually seen an alien or had

8 KT: "an encounter, they were immediately written off by the UFO community as being crackpots & looneys. 'Nobody has encounters.' They resisted vigorously. And then pushed by evidences as case after case begin to come forward, grumbingly, the UFO community said 'Okay, maybe

9 KT: "there is somebody in those ships. Okay maybe occasionally, one of them might get out of the ship. Maybe every now and then some random witness might accidentally see one of these little creatures out taking soil samples or picking up some flowers or gathering some water

10 KT: "'from the reservoir. But nah, it's not a common event' Even Budd Hopkins, as recently as the early 1980s, was saying, 'All right, people may be getting abducted at some point, but it only happens once. It's that random and rare.'

11 KT: "There was no idea, even among the leading researcher in the field, that it was a recurrent situation. He would accept one report but if the person said they came back he'd say 'Out of the office.' Because that was where the research stood. It was conservative, it was

12 KT: "resistant to change, and Budd is the first to admit he was pushed to change by the evidence and he waited until it was overwhelming before he would change. There are some people who have been forced to change much faster."

~Karla Turner - New Jersey lecture - 1994

13 Of course, if WE had access to ALL of the data collected since the early 1930s and allowed mainstream scientists to comb through it, I think we could answer a lot of the questions, just like the small number folks who have had access to that data since the beginning.