@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh The difference between you & me, between those who see the con & the believers in the con is that instead of increasingly shrill declarations that run contrary to every fact, as if ranting against actual facts had substance, the diff is we point to a mountain of facts, data, and
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 2/ utterances by Trump & the trump team. We do not have to rely on hidden meanings, or occult parsing of "2016" to occlude & distract from Every Single thing that demonstrates proves the opposite of your holding.

The list is now volumes long. And you remain unmoved, & unmovable.
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 3/ The list of what you cannot consider lest your bubble be permanently popped. And who are you then? Having bought into the con so fully?
It is a hard thing. I get it.

Now we have the greatest con, the greatest lie, & the most essential as to its destructive possibilities
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 4/ being propounded by Trump & his power hungry acolytes: "I won the election. And that by a landslide".

By now it should be obvious that this is simply delusional.
Trump's own AG Barr knew this. And resigned. After everything else he did for Tr. He & all subsequent Trump AG's
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 5/ rejected Tr's tremendous pressure to declare the election corrupted & invalid. None would do it.
And now it is coming out just how lawless & abusive Tr was while trying to force the Justice Dept to do his bidding.

You must say "it is all part of the cabal against Trump".
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 6/ That "everyone" is against Trump.

But you are incapable of asking why? At least no deeper than "Tr threatens them" or some such nonsense. It is the stuff of cults.

The problem is this cult is designed to erode the cornerstone of the American experiement.
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 7/ The difference between you and me is not simply our news sources. Or some appeal to a discredited conspiracy of Obama in 2016.
Regardless of your interpretation, we have Trump on record, and on tape saying and doing things that are violations of principles, lying endlessly,
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 8/ and perpetuating the con that "he alone can fix it".

The difference between us is not news sources, but the unwillingness of the Trump believers to accept the most obvious of facts and statements at face value. Everything that contradicts the great leader must be ignored,
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 9/ and dismissed w a facile, lame, denial of everything...Not with argument. Just outraged, angry denial and attacks.

It is a worthy performance. In a different venue, less consequential, maybe a fake "reality" show, it might even be entertaining.
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 10/ As it is the historical patterns and examples are chilling. In the end, or after the end, people who were caught up in this con, at every level, from leader to believer, will deny they ever were part of it & will try & distance themselves.
Barr is an example.
There are many.
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 11/ This little argument of mine needs to be refined. It is not as well argued as it could and should be. The nature of twitter posts, and threads.
So it is.
The essential point is to counter your absurd assertion that the only diff between you and me, your tribe and mine is
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 12/ our "news sources".
It is quite a bit more than that.
It is quite a bit more obvious than that.

Whatever else is going on, this con is going on. Trump cannot stand opposition.
There is a reason his connections were w the likes of Putin & Kim. The only way for these regimes
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 13/ to thrive, or even exist, is by controlling the opposition and deny all facts & reality that threatens to expose the image & position of the dear leader, and the con.

I hope that you will soon release yourself from the enthrall of this mindset. Democracy depends on it.
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 14/ And again, apologies, This should be a more sharp & focused response.
But then, would it really matter if it were? It hasn’t thus far.

Best of luck on your extraction.

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8 Aug
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh No. Facts are truth are not that fungible.

There are interpretations, but there is also basic science, and methods of investigation...They each start w a desire to know the facts...Not an attempt to eradicate anything that contradicts the predefined necessary conclusion.
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 2/ The charade going on in AZ should be enough absurdity and recognition of the lame, unprofessional, weird, but understandable doings of a tribe hell-bent on making up the data to support their belief.

It is like watching a child certain & proud of his picture of mommy & daddy.
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 3/ It is cute coming from a child. It is sad when people who should (& do) know better think they are pulling a fast one on everyone.
While everyone looks on, by turns amused & saddened watching the pretence they are doing & saying anything remotely important.
No one is fooled.
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30 Jul
@tfamerica3000 @tommy_pane @adamsteinbaugh You recall that there have been calls for making laws against the various Trump treacheries, saying "he is breaking the norms but there are no laws..."

This is the exact problem, and the line between a corrupt society, lawless, that needs laws to keep everyone in check,
and a
@tfamerica3000 @tommy_pane @adamsteinbaugh 2/ principled ones, where the citizenry is responsible, not trying to take every possible personal advantage, basically a society governed by "the rule of law".
An easy ex being intersections/stop lights.
If everyone has respect for the rules, there is a natural working flow.
@tfamerica3000 @tommy_pane @adamsteinbaugh 3/ When an individual breaks the rules and runs a light it causes a crash. When "everyone" tries to run the yellow etc. the 'lawmakers' have to extend the yellow to try to avoid the crash [&etc]..eventually the system is so violated it becomes untenable & you end up w traffic
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30 Jul
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh Lets start here:
My understanding of the constitutional structural organization of power does not include a president going rouge & trying to override the will of the citizenry with stupid as well as outrageous claims of "I won". The constitution could only provide for
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 2/ an attempt to balance the power between the functional grouping of a civilized & complex society. Specifically the entire edifice of government rested upon the singular principle of "Consent of the Governed". From there the std 3 branches of gov are articulated & premised on
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 3/ the expectation that while there would be expected threats of corruption & drifts toward tyranny, by breaking up the power in this way it was presumed, or assumed, that the various branches would mitigate any attempt by a rogue executive to take over the government.
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28 Jul
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh No
You are part of a tribe that justifies the ongoing attempt of a sociopath to renege on the principles, norms & values of the American constitutional system, including the gracious acceptance of defeat & the peaceful transfer of power.

nytimes.com/video/us/polit…
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 2/ All else is bull-sh* until you figure that out.

Of course I understand your position & perspective. It is not that difficult. It is the forever debate & struggle over power, resources, governance & society
Sometimes hard questions
But the answer that is Trump is a foolish one
@tommy_pane @tfamerica3000 @adamsteinbaugh 3/ Did you manage to watch the hearing today?
Probably not, is my guess. Too busy like McConnel?
You should catch at least some of the highlights.
You'll see what a fraud the various attempts to divert attention fr Jan6 have been.

These are your peeps.

theguardian.com/us-news/2021/j…
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10 Jul
@tommy_pane @adamsteinbaugh Thx. Read it. Nothing new here. Though well summarized.
It would be foolish for me to try and discuss much less counter the very many half & full misconceptions. That this is detail making up the hard foundation of your complaint is... well..ibid.

I get you & yours believe it be
@tommy_pane @adamsteinbaugh 2/ essential primary truth. How could it be otherwise? You won’t abide anything that contradicts the received “truth” that the sun revolves around the earth.

I particularly notice the many times the ‘appeal to authority’ in the setup of ‘many people believe...’.
@tommy_pane @adamsteinbaugh 3/ I I suppose I could do a point by point response...but why? It has been done before. As well as well documented books and articles that engage these matters....all without making a dent.

I could stipulate ea point and still virtually all the actual issues re Tr and his
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29 Jun
It must be one of the rules of "Art of War" to change the actual field of battle while appearing to still be engaged.

The assumption in our politics is that the sides are fundamentally in agreement re core values.
To fight on that premise is to have lost before the fight.
While one side is tangled in exasperated attempts to make congruent utterly discongruous points gives them the advantage to drive truckloads of harm through the gap.
There are far too many examples to list... McConnell's shifting rational &deviousness re the Supreme Court is one.
Another is the entire Jan6 debacle. How is it possible anyone, of any party, would not want to get to the bottom of such a momentous event?
Well, that assumes that all the parties are essentially devoted by their oath & patriotism to the country & its essential well-being.
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