@tommy_pane@adamsteinbaugh Thx. Read it. Nothing new here. Though well summarized.
It would be foolish for me to try and discuss much less counter the very many half & full misconceptions. That this is detail making up the hard foundation of your complaint is... well..ibid.
I get you & yours believe it be
@tommy_pane@adamsteinbaugh 2/ essential primary truth. How could it be otherwise? You won’t abide anything that contradicts the received “truth” that the sun revolves around the earth.
I particularly notice the many times the ‘appeal to authority’ in the setup of ‘many people believe...’.
@tommy_pane@adamsteinbaugh 3/ I I suppose I could do a point by point response...but why? It has been done before. As well as well documented books and articles that engage these matters....all without making a dent.
I could stipulate ea point and still virtually all the actual issues re Tr and his
In short summary: I get how these details seem to make up a scary monolithic cabal designed for the singular purpose to frustrate & defeat the sterling boy Trump.
If...
This is all you allowed. It reads like fox/oan on a endless
Which, does not mean everything raised is absolutely wrong. I said 1/2 truths. While their are plenty of nonsensical points make as if the are incontrovertible verities, they read more like the latest made up outrage by Tucker.
You have only to read any of my
@tommy_pane@adamsteinbaugh 6/ posts to conclude I am no apologist for the current system,regime,social issues,politics, or politicians etc...
We are in a serious spiral ....
The analysis and conclusions of this complaint seem inadequate to the real issues. I have ideas why I think that is true...but that
Suffice it say, for nor, in conclusion of this reply, that summation which you accepted as representative of your position and the many Trump/maga folks deserves to be addressed and debated.
The problem, as I see it, it is hard, perhaps impossible
@tommy_pane@adamsteinbaugh 8/ to have that conversation, because the conclusion, the answer on the part of the “maga” team is “Trump”.
Thus nothing that will not allow that answer is dismissed out of hand.
As you did, for ex, re the Jan6 issue. Or even more obvious, the seriously flawed attacks on the
@tommy_pane@adamsteinbaugh 9/ systems ... contorted out of shape, all to make the answer “Trump won” come out.
It is tantamount to breaking every mathematical premise to make 2+2=5.
You can do it (how many fingers Winston?) but at what cost to everything else?
It must be one of the rules of "Art of War" to change the actual field of battle while appearing to still be engaged.
The assumption in our politics is that the sides are fundamentally in agreement re core values.
To fight on that premise is to have lost before the fight.
While one side is tangled in exasperated attempts to make congruent utterly discongruous points gives them the advantage to drive truckloads of harm through the gap.
There are far too many examples to list... McConnell's shifting rational &deviousness re the Supreme Court is one.
Another is the entire Jan6 debacle. How is it possible anyone, of any party, would not want to get to the bottom of such a momentous event?
Well, that assumes that all the parties are essentially devoted by their oath & patriotism to the country & its essential well-being.
@heavyblankey@tommy_pane 1. Here is the post that has a succinct explanation. 2. I had similar confusion re the title... it does not say what it means... Academics! Apparently this is an idea first discussed in the 70s 3. In short, it means there are racial issues that have been in play fr the beginning
@heavyblankey@tommy_pane 2/ Why this is controversial eludes me. It is pretty obvious. As such it is uncontroversial that deep racism was embedded into the founding of the country. Not only blacks, but Indians. It is embedded in the constitution. And is manifest throughout American history.
@heavyblankey@tommy_pane 3/ That said seems the problem comes when trying to discuss that in terms of today. And conflating the systemic racism that is in the laws, customs and constitution w individuals who do not like being called racist.
That is where it gets complicated. IMO.
@tommy_pane GP is barely readable it is so full of tripe. The comments even more so.
I esp "enjoy" how the Trumpers have to find some off to the side detail to magnify into a mountain and then use that to insinuate "see...EVERYTHING THE ANTI TRUMP PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS WRONG..LOOK AT THIS".
@tommy_pane 2/ In the case of this article it is the Steele report. And in particular the "dossier’s most explosive claims".
Elevating the 'pee pee tape' as if this were the central and most important claim in that report is so disingenuous as to be laughable... which it is.
@tommy_pane 3/ 1st. The Steele report was never proposed as conclusive. It was a research report of issues to be followed up on. Some of the details have been validated others not, or inconclusive, as the report quoted says.
The important claim in the report was the Russia involvement in
@JakeLobin "It was a bright cold day & the clocks were striking 13"
We ought not be amazed or confounded by the cult-sotted "GOP" party & their compliant members with their staggering lack of rational consistency.
What is true at this very moment may have been false only a moment ago.
@JakeLobin 2/ Take any issue of substance, past or present, there will be a head-snapping flip. Just about the time that one settles it, flip again.
It takes a well oiled gimbal for a brain to adroitly follow what is the party line now. Not yesterday. Not tomorrow.
That to be determined.
@JakeLobin 3/ That is what 'memory holes' are for.
One day Republican leaders may strongly condemn Trump for his role in inciting insurrection. Today, it was just a bunch of tourists. Deny that? You are summarily drummed out of the party.
"How many fingers Winston?"
"How many Liz Cheney?"
@Politics_PR Let nothing trouble the crystalized beliefs
Anything that muddles the mind w facts or reality is to be ignored & forgot as soon as possible.
It never happened.
The only thing that is happening is Trump. The key to the party's getting of power.
The question is why does it work?
@Politics_PR 2/ It is not a very pleasant question.
It indicts an incredibly large percentage of the population that has gone into the fog bank that is Trumpism.
It will be increasingly hard, & embarrassing, to admit mistake. And so an error will codify into a 'religion'...
@Politics_PR 3/ And so an error will codify into a 'religion', which may be sufficient to create a new (and old) fundamental split as severe as the original one that birthed the Civil War.
And, in fact, energized by some of the very same axiomatic values & beliefs.
@tommy_pane I have read your reply. A couple of times.
I'll forebear the puzzled response. Other than to notice your amazing (to me, really it is banal, obvious, and expected by now) ability to contort basic facts into a shape that solicits a picture of a seriously gerrymandered district.
@tommy_pane 2/ What you have to ignore, & what you have to "interpret" in order to buttress your argument is so comprehensive there is nothing left of the original facts.
Your assertions/conclusions are so divorced from the facts/reality that it stuns the ability to actually engage.
@tommy_pane 3/ Which I suppose is the point of a 'religious' devotion. There is no way to contradict a "miracle". Beliefs override knowledge/science/facts.
Your beliefs are impregnable.
Which is fine. It is part of the liberty you(we) have. But it doesn’t allow for meaningful discussion