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@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney For every affordable unit we built, we lost 7 says @cmckenney so you can see why we've got folks who will be in the shelter system for years.

They ask if we are doing this analysis now?

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney .@cmckenney says it seems like we are fighting this battle constantly where we are fighting for more affordable housing and @ottawacity is prioritizing other things.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney Co-chair of planning @glengower says of the 2021 Housing Strategy that it is a "multi-faceted" strategy around public and private housing.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney Report recommendations for affordable housing capital money are carried by the Planning Committee.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney Now we are on Item 3 which deals with Heron Gate, to start there is a motion from @ShawnMenard1 didn't quite hear it but we will be getting to it later.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney Now @AltaVistaWard18 Councillor Jean Cloutier who is the councillor for the ward where Heron Gate is - he is calling the social framework "ground-breaking"

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 .@AltaVistaWard18 says we are struggling to find correct definition of affordable housing that many people differ on what the actual definition is.

We agree but the definition of affordable housing in the social framework is not affordable.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 .@AltaVistaWard18 says the resident of Heron Gate want better housing and better livable spaces.

He says we need to provide support to the social contract. As @OttawaACORN will discuss it is not enough.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN .@AltaVistaWard18 says he also has a motion going forward about this item, we will hear it later.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN The motion from @AltaVistaWard18 is to extend the terms of the social framework for 15 years instead of ten.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN Now we are getting a presentation from the planner for the Heron Gate file, Melanie Gervais.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN Now hearing from Saide Sayah on affordable housing in the project.

He says he will try to provide some explanation of this.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN Says they used the CMHC number, @ottawacity staff Saide Sayah admits that the units are "not really" affordable for low-income residents in the neighbourhood.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN The amounts of rent that Hazelview (Timbercreek) will be charging in the MOU for the social contract is more than average market rent in the existing buildings.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN Presentation now from @aurbanist on behalf of Hazelview/Timbercreek on their social contract, saying affordability is a critical aspect of the plan.

He says the private sector is "stepping up to the plate" to give a positive contribution.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist .@aurbanist says that an important aspect was coming to it from a framework of community well-being developed by the Conference Board of Canada.

Then why are rents still so unaffordable?

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist .@aurbanist keeps talking about how the community was really involved but we heard from @OttawaACORN earlier this week and @herongatetc throughout this process that they weren't.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc Lots of talk here from @aurbanist abt the "social enterprises" embedded in this development and planning application like what you see below but it's obviously not enough as long as housing is still unaffordable and tenants are not given the power or agency over their own housing

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc Talking about proposal of new park from @aurbanist in the social framework plan but who will get to enjoy the new park?

Not the tenants who were already evicted and don't get the right of return to their units.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc Presentation from @aurbanist on behalf of Hazelview ends and now public delegation begins.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc Speaking now is @AVmartycarr who is president of the @AltaVista_Ott Community Association, the catchement of which includes Heron Gate.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott .@AVmartycarr says there are significant concerns around the application but won't get into specifics until later process.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott .@AVmartycarr says that it is concerning that we are in a city where there is a housing emergency that there is no process around community benefits or set definition of affordable housing or eviction policy.

There really is nothing in place to support these types of agreements.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott .@AVmartycarr says that it is definitely shocking that there was no news about this until families started getting evicted, says there are some positives to it but it is already too late for those who were already evicted.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott .@AVmartycarr says this is indeed the biggest private affordability deal that @ottawacity has ever procured.

Still not enough though but a start.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott Question now from @JLeiper to @AVmartycarr on household income in the neighbourhood, asks to repeat.

Carr says that income is $38,000 for Heron Gate Census, they have their own census track. This is not the same as the @ottawacity number.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott Question from @AltaVistaWard18 to @AVmartycarr about process that took place around consulting tenants in #HeronGate.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott .@AVmartycarr says that housing from developer isn't 20% it's 16% because that is the total of affordable units.

We need to listen more to community stakeholders. Conversations need to continue, they can't end.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott .@AVmartycarr says ten year timeframe given for affordable benefits is unacceptable and has concerns over community space to gather - not enough in social framework.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott .@AVmartycarr says that there are people living in units that are going to be destroyed who don't even know that they are going to be destroyed.

There needs to be better communication she says.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott Now speaking is @SamHersh01 who is echoing the points of groups like @ACORNOttawa saying that these units are not affordable, that there needs to be a right of return for tenants already evicted and that the city is putting the profits of developers ahead of the right to housing.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa "#HeronGate has become a symbol class struggle and power of tenants fighting back but also as a result of actions of developers, symbol of the most extreme ills of housing crisis and what happens when councillors sit idle and bend to will of corporate developers says @SamHersh01.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa Now moving on to next speaker (missed the last one sorry) is @mavis_f, a former resident of Heron Gate who was evicted a couple of years ago due to the actions of Timbercreek/Hazelview, she is a member of @OttawaACORN.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f .@mavis_f says that Heron Gate tenants rejected the social framework in a meeting earlier last week because the rent proposed is still far too high, says poorer families will be shoved into smaller apartments.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f .@mavis_f says tenants will be forced out and pushed out - this plan is nothing more than "slow-mo gentrification" says Finnamore.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f .@mavis_f says councillors should go back to the table and that there is no need to rush this MOU and deal because the Official Plan will be decided later.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f .@mavis_f says that if this passes, her and other tenants and former tenants will continue fighting this, this won't end unless you go back to the table and do more.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f Several questions from different councillors, first from @MathieuFleury about motion he put forward with @KeithEgli about renovictions.

Asks her to speak to what expectations would be around protecting tenancies in these types of situations.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@MathieuFleury asks what the city can do more for tenants.

@mavis_f says it would be great if @ottawacity would put a moratorium on evictions in low-income communities, there has to be some way to hang on to the low-cost housing that we have.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@JLeiper says we are talking as if the 16% of units in Heron Gate will be affordable - they won't.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@JLeiper asks if the definition of affordable housing being used by @ottawacity and Hazelview is actually affordable when incomes of Heron Gate residents are significantly less than the rest of #Ottawa.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@cmckenney thanks @mavis_f for joining and says we wouldnt be at the table today without grousp like @OttawaACORN.

McKenney says the units proposed are not affordable at all, says it is unconscionable that we are using rent supplements to give to a private developer.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@cmckenney asks what @mavis_f thought when she saw the Heron Gate social framework report.

She says that she wonders if @AltaVistaWard18 even listened to anything that tenants said.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@cmckenney asks @mavis_f if any former tenants she lived with will be able to afford the new rents - no, she says.

She says she knew people who were evicted TWICE in Heron Gate because of Hazelview/Timbercreek.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@ShawnMenard1 asks @mavis_f if she was offered anything and what ended up happening to people who were evicted.

Mavis says they heard rumours in 2015 and asked Hazelview/Timbercreek if they were true and they lied and said no.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@mavis_f says that people who were kicked out in 2015/2016 were just thrown out and left abruptly, left family mementos, good furniture, etc.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@ShawnMenard1 asks @mavis_f if there will be any offer to evicted tenants to live somewhere else, etc. she says no.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli .@AltaVistaWard18 asks @mavis_f "what she thinks units should cost" seems to be sort of a gotchya question.

The councillor should already know what the answer to this is.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli Lots of questions from councillors here for @OttawaACORN member and former Heron Gate tenant @mavis_f, @tm_kavanagh asking what she thinks about the two motions on the table.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh .@ShawnMenard1 says he will pull his motion in light of @AltaVistaWard18's motion to extend from 10-15 years for affordable housing, Cloutier's motion still isn't NEARLY enough.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh .@mavis_f in response to @tm_kavanagh says that she would want to eliminate timelines on affordability entirely.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh Delegation now from Last Mazambani, another @OttawaACORN member and tenant in Heron Gate.

Last says the Planning Committee should reject the "social framework" and go back to the table and amend to include community concerns and demands like right of return.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh Last from @OttawaACORN says there are two definition of affordable housing and those two definitions do not represent the people who are currently living in Heron Gate.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh Last from @ACORNOttawa says that this plan is a "termination plan" says the poor will always be there and we cannot plan for the future that we draw a plan that excludes them.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh Sorry folks, can't follow the meeting for the time being connection is down. We will be back in a bit we hope.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh We are back with @george34226127 saying that he doesn't trust Hazelview/Timbercreek saying that we need to go back to the table, the social framework isn't good enough.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 .@AltaVistaWard18 asks @george34226127 what we need to look at to emulate - Brown says the City of Vancouver has a policy for this already, Toronto is doing community benefit agreements too he says.

He says in the US we're seeing this with private sector development as well.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 .@ShawnMenard1 says the city has not developed an inclusionary zoning policy and we have also been talking about a rental replacement bylaw and that we have other tools in our toolbox, asks @george34226127 what we say to councillors who say "we just have to do this"

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 .@ShawnMenard1 says that there is much more that needs to be done here and pushed for for what has become a big stain on our city and is an example of systemic racism in our city.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 .@george34226127 says he doesn't understand why Timbercreek/Hazelview won't let tenants who were previously evicted come back.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 .@RiverWardRiley says we need a clear list of things to do before we defer this, don't want to defer for the sake of just deferring.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 .@george34226127 says again like other delegates have said - the definition of affordable housing in the MOU is NOT affordable.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 Now speaking is another Heron Gate resident and @OttawaACORN member who is saying that members asked at an August 17th meeting to reject this social framework and that a new plan needs to be developed that includes the desires of the tenants.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 A number of speakers have dropped off the call again speaking to the inaccessibility of these meetings over Zoom.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 Now speaking is @EthanSabourin, a Horizon Ottawa and @CourageOttawa!

Says that the plan now represents some might say an even "malicious" solution to the housing crisis and situation in #HeronGate

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa .@EthanSabourin says that tenants and @OttawaACORN MUST be brought to and included at the table.

He says that their knowledge and experience and personal knowledge is necessary in this conversation.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa .@EthanSabourin says we need to turn the housing here into public housing not just private housing from Timbercreek/Hazelview.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa .@EthanSabourin says affordable housing that runs out in 10-15 years will only lead to more power for private investors and developers like Timbercreek/Hazelview.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa .@EthanSabourin says that building housing today by Timbercreek/Hazelview isn't carbon neutral, says we need to also think about our carbon footprint when building this housing.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa .@EthanSabourin sums up by saying that tenants need to be brought to the table and demands needs to be listened to and thinking about prioritizing public power over market power.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa Next speaker is Khamaria Pingue, a manager of @ScfsOttawa, Somali Family Services.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa Pingue of @ScfsOttawa says councillors told them their voices mattered but when looking at social contract seems like their demands are falling on deaf ears - being realistic looks like compassion and resident being able to afford to live in Heron Gate for more than ten years.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa Pingue of @ScfsOttawa says what is unrealistic is in the MOU, we need at least 25-30% of affordable housing, that is what is realistic.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa Now speaking is Jimale Ibrahiam who only speaks Somalian so his 12 year old daughter is speaking for him - she says on his behalf they do not know where to go and can't afford a higher rent and says that Timbercreek already forced them to leave once before.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa She finishes by saying please do your job and protect our family on behalf of her dad who is an @OttawaACORN member.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa .@ShawnMenard1 asks how many people live in their household - Ibrahim says 10 people, they are paying $1530 in rent, that is MUCH different than what Hazelview/Timbercreek says is affordable, says Menard.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa Lots of delegates have unfortunately dropped off the call, at least we'd say 6-10 likely because of the time of this call.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa Now speaking is @OttawaSouthNDP Candidate, Huda Mukbil.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP .@OttawaSouthNDP candidate Huda Mukbil, is saying there is a breakdown in communication, calls for Timbercreek/Hazelview and @ottawacity council to come back to the table.

Says definition of affordable housing is not being met here.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP .@OttawaSouthNDP Huda Mukbil asks @ottawacity council to reject the Hazelview/Timbercreek social framework, talks about federal @NDP plan to build more affordable housing in partnership with municipalities like #Ottawa.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP Now speaking is @PaulHoward_IMIT who says he wants council to reject the "social framework" like many others have today.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP @PaulHoward_IMIT .@PaulHoward_IMIT says there is absolutely no trust in the community with this developer (Hazelview)

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP @PaulHoward_IMIT Now speaking is Heather Myebach who is another #HeronGate tenants outlining issue she has faced as a tenant like repairs that haven't been done in months/years, a lot of heat and having to pay more to run A/C, etc.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP @PaulHoward_IMIT Question from @cmckenney to Heather about if she has called @OttawaBylaw to put pressure and on Timbercreek/Hazelview, she says yes.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP @PaulHoward_IMIT @OttawaBylaw Heather says she has scorch marks in her apartment because of how hot it is in her place.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP @PaulHoward_IMIT @OttawaBylaw .@cmckenney asks tenant to email her to get to the bottom of issues around Timbercreek/Hazelview.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP @PaulHoward_IMIT @OttawaBylaw Last question from @cmckenney is about how much tenant is paying for rent she is paying $1370, Hazelview is raising it to $1800+ for a two-bedroom, $500 more.

This is not affordable.

@sghottawa @ottawacity @MathieuFleury @JLeiper @RiverWardRiley @glengower @ShawnMenard1 @JimWatsonOttawa @rawlsonking @cmckenney @AltaVistaWard18 @OttawaACORN @aurbanist @herongatetc @AVmartycarr @AltaVista_Ott @SamHersh01 @ACORNOttawa @mavis_f @KeithEgli @tm_kavanagh @george34226127 @EthanSabourin @CourageOttawa @ScfsOttawa @OttawaSouthNDP @NDP @PaulHoward_IMIT @OttawaBylaw Public delegations are over, now taking a 20 minute break then there will be questions to staff, applicant and then debate.

Apologies there! The live tweeter (me) confused who was answering @RiverWardRiley's questions!

@RiverWardRiley says that defining 'affordable' is not simple, but that anything near market rent cannot be called affordable. Timbercreek/Hazelview says that the affordability numbers in the MOU are a legal limit.

Timbercreek/Hazelview says the newly built units will carry over the same rent as current units (a new two bedroom would still be at the same rent as a current two-bedroom when the current one is demolished)

Timbercreek/Hazelview says that it is difficult to negotiate detailed commitments in a high-level legal document like the MOU. That's why some recreational, affordable commercial, and other pieces are not included.

@RiverWardRiley asks about three types of tenants. Hazelview's responses:
1. Current Herongate tenant who is not earmarked for demolition: Nothing will change, rent will continue to increase based on the RTA

2. Resident living in a unit earmarked for demolition is given an option to move into an equivalent renovated unit in an old building, or into a newly built unit at the same rent at they have at that time.
@RiverWardRiley

3. Residents who were previously evicted: They have already signed agreements and will not have a special option to return at 'affordable' prices, must apply like anyone else.
@RiverWardRiley

@RiverWardRiley wants no caps on the affordable housing units. He wants that affordable rate to remain in perpetuity. Would be willing to tradeoff more units, but wants affordability to be baked in *for good*. Timbercreek says they want flexibility as affordability changes so no

Hazelview/Timbercreek saying that more affordable units, or long term affordability, will just make the rest of the units even more unaffordable for regular Ottawans.

@cmckenney asks what happens after the 10-15 year affordability 'clock' runs out.
Timbercreek/Hazelview says the logistical details are not worked out, but says that it is "likely" the unit will not immediately jump in rent and become unaffordable.

What happens at the end of these 10-15 year affordability periods is "not written into the MOU" says Timbercreek/Hazelview.

@cmckenney wants to amend the MOU to include only allowing RTA rent increases (around 1-2% annually) after the affordability period runs out

@cmckenney asks if Timbercreek/Hazelview have applied for loans with CMHC. T/H say they are continuing to "investigate" that.
@cmckenney says that there is nothing affordable about the units which are at 30% of market rent through the rental construction financing

@ShawnMenard1 asks why Timbercreek/Hazelview why they purchased this property? Was it always to demolish and rebuild new?

Timbercreek/Hazelview see themselves as "long-term investors" in rental housing (so that they can make huge profits off of renters). They say they didn't have a "crystal ball" when they purchased the property, instead of answering whether they intended to demolish.

@ShawnMenard1: When you purchased the property, were you aware that 70% of the people living there were visible minorities?

Timbercreek: We look at demographics.

@ShawnMenard1: So you would have been aware when you demolished that 60% of kids there were in poverty

Timbercreek: We want to put more housing in that neighbourhood

@ShawnMenard1: So it was not about making money off of these people?

Timbercreek: We don't make it a secret we make money

@ShawnMenard1 How much did you make last year

Timbercreek: We don't think that's relevant

@glengower doesn't think the massive profits Timbercreek/Hazelview made last year are relevant to the gentrification, evictions of radicalized and low-income tenants, or this new application.

@ShawnMenard1: What Timbercreek is doing is compounding racial discrimination. Asks Timbercreek to comment on their massive profits off of the backs of radicalized renters.

@ShawnMenard1 "Don't pretend that you're doing this out of the goodness of your own heart." There needs to be a better deal to make good on the black-eye on Canada that you've created here in our city.

@glengower says @ShawnMenard1 is almost crossing the line on being "combative" with gentrifiers and slumlords at Timbercreek.

The profits of massive private companies, which will structure the Herongate community if this MOU is passed, are absolutely relevant to any decision.

@ShawnMenard1 Why is the MOU so weak? Why do affordable units end after 10-15 years? Why are there no specifics about what happens when they end? Why are the affordability measures still so expensive for most people?

Timbercreek/Hazelview stays on message, doesn't answer the questions.

@AltaVistaWard18 asks Hazelview/Timbercreek to talk about their commitments to social enterprise etc.

Of course, none of these commitments are legally binding or included in the MOU. Nice words, but the legal framework allows them to reneg on any of this

Now talking about non-binding commitments to commercial space. They might put in some convenient retail. Maybe some live-work. No firm commitment to affordability so that residents can run their own small businesses. Everything non-binding.

There will be non-binding community spaces! There is a park which is in the MOU, but all of the other nice ideas, pools and pet spaces etc are non-binding.

Hazelview threatening not to build the project if affordable houses last longer than 10-15 years. They are committed to their profits above anything else.

@ShawnMenard1 reminds the committee that affordable housing continues to exist on the site before it is redeveloped. People are renting for $1300-1500/month, which is even more affordable than the 'affordable' housing they say they are going to build on the site.

@ShawnMenard1 What we have done on this MOU is very weak. Once the official plan is passed with work on rental replacement, with new tenant protections, we will have a better overall framework than the MOU gives us.

Hazelview admits that the important details about affordable housing are not figured out. They keep using words like 'likely' and just expect us to trust them.

@ShawnMenard1 asks what Hazelview what they will do if committee does not approve the MOU today. They say they will not appeal it.

This gives space for new negotiations, with tenants involved and having a decision-making role.

@JLeiper asks if 'replacement' units will be smaller? They do not have a range yet but mention 3-5% smaller.

@jleiper says industry trend is to shrink units, which is tough for large families living at Herongate

@JLeiper asks staff about the inventory of affordable housing in the private market. Staff do not have those numbers.

Asks if staff share concern with 500+ units of affordable housing will be replaced with unaffordable units in 15 years

Staff say yes, in the long term. But in the short-term it is of concern but there is a need for more policies to prevent this.

Staff says that the MOU gives them a good basis, from which Ottawa could buy down the rent with subsidies and grants in lieu of development charges.

@cmckenney says that when we subsidize average market rent at for-profit developments, there is a profit margin built into that which we are paying for. With non-market and social housing, we get better value for money.

City staff answer @cmckenney that when we negotiate with non-profits, we get affordability in perpetuity. When we subsidize for-profit housing, we are handing further profits to private companies. But currently, for-profit developers build more units than non-profits/public

@cmckenney says we don't even have the money now to subsidize the non-profits enough. Asks why we would think of subsidizing profits with our limited funds?

Staff says that in this agreement, we get 225 units that are actually pretty affordable, would cost city $20m without MOU

@cmckenney The 510 units that are funded by rental construction financing do not count as affordable. City staff agrees.

@JLeiper wants to know how many 3- and 4-bedroom units will be built at 'affordable' levels. There is no hard number

It is good that those who will get replacement units will ensure the construction of 3- and 4-br units, but anyone who does not live in Herongate may get nothing

@tm_kavanagh is asking why we don't use neighbourhood level market rents to ensure that rents aren't driven up to the city average when they sit below it.

The benefits of the average city rent is that it includes low rents which can help even out newer builds with high rents

^That is the staff explanation.

@tm_kavanagh believes that there are measures that we could use to keep rents affordable.

City staff in the weeds of housing prices for not-for-profit providers. There is additional funding from the city to make deep affordability happen, but none of it goes to anyone's profits.
Subsidizing Hazelview will end up padding their bottom line and shareholders pockets.

@cmckenney cites provincial law, which allows buildings constructed after 2018 to be subject to rent increases beyond the RTA limits. While @cmckenney is reading it off of the province's website, city staff say they aren't sure about that rule.

@cmckenney says we need specific provisions for rent control guidelines in the MOU in order to ensure that Hazelview doesn't increase rents dramatically after the 10-15 year timeline ends, because those increases are probably what Hazelview is counting on.

@ShawnMenard1 asks why we wouldn't apply the policies that we are developing, on inclusionary zoning and affordable housing, to the MOU. Those policies would be even more robust than the voluntary MOU.

City staff say delaying while waiting for the policies that we need would delay construction of rental stock.

So it seems we are rushing into a deal just because we will get units, not because they will be the best units under the best possible situation.

@ShawnMenard1: This development will go over 25 years, how do we ensure that the strongest possible policies are applied?

Staff: We can't consider future policies, and we need to build build build

@ShawnMenard1: If we refuse this application, we can wait until new policies are in place before going forward with the buildout. What Hazelview/Timbercreek has done is a travesty, mass evictions of low-income racialized residents, and we have to fight hard for them

@JLeiper says that the residents are being left to the RTA, to rent increases, to Hazelview.

The only leverage that the city has to get a better deal is to vote against this Official Plan Amendment.

There is a process in criminal law where juries acquit someone who has clearly broken the law, in a case when the law is unjust.

That process is informing why @JLeiper is voting against this Official Plan Amendment and MOU.

@glengower says that the definition of affordability being used is still unaffordable for many of Ottawa's lower-income residents.

At Horizon, we believe we must use definitions that protect tenants, protect residents, and keep housing in public hands.

Planning Committee votes yes on the report. Votes yes on the MOU. @ShawnMenard1, @JLeiper, and @catherinekitts vote against it.

But it passes despite community opposition, tenant opposition, advocate opposition. The report recommendations now go to council.