Interesting article by Shri. Harsh

A long thread of response.

The article identifies a very achievement of the Roman Civilization - Pax Deorum. This is very much similar to what happened in the Bharatavarsha too for long until 10th Century AD.

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Especially between 5th Century BC to 6th Century AD innumerable number tribes entered Bharatavarsha and found their place along with their deities and perspectives woven into the rest of the society. As a consequence, we only political conflicts and not religious.

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We achieved it with some philosophical sophistication resulting in longevity/permanence. As though it was a natural process. That comes from the philosophy of Devatas being Dharma-Rakshakas and our priests exactly knew how to recognise, place and fix boundaries for everything.

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Quite common in the Pre-Abrahamic era across the universe, which the article rightly mentions. Its an achievement of ancient civilisations including Bharatavarsha and that much should be acknowledged.

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The article goes onto rightly identify the reasons for the subsequent Dark Age - Monotheism in its strictest version assuming a Ugraroopa across the globe. All of us have read it and continue to see it, nothing much needs to be said.

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The article also rightly recognises a renewed interest in Polytheism, recognition of the importance of those ancient ways, acknowledge the void resulting in the elimination of certain sacred spaces in all their diversity.

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The article correctly expects that Bharatavarsha should quietly be facilitating this in the most gracious way. As the longest living Pagan (if I may use the word) Civilization where Deities & Sacred spaces thrive in harmony, without least conflict, it is our responsibility.

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Then, the article steps into the ‘Dharma’. It posits ‘Mutual Respect’ as the essence of the Dharma.

Here an elaboration is required. Dharma is fundamentally about holding Life together so that it does not fall apart. Its Mutual Respect dimension is a consequence.

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Holding Life together (dhArayati iti Dharma) requires all to pursue their Purushartha. In this there is diversity because each is at a different point in time, space, context. Hence the pursuit of Dharma (On Rta for Moksha) - is different for different people/communities.

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That is not all. These Paths do clash in spite of the legitimacy they have for their pursuits. Dharma helps develop boundaries and mutual respect. This is an aside, but an important one to note.

Nevertheless, we shall come back.

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The article goes onto make a very important point. The Hindu Society of today, referred to as Hinduism, is one of the Dharma pursuing Civilisations. Other Communities may have lost it during the Monotheistic assault & may seek to revive themselves.

We are one among the many.

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Now we come to the most important Question - Where do we place European Modernity?

1. Is it a Continuum of Christianity?
2. Is it a completely antagonistic/anti Christianity?
3. Is it Christianity with the confluence of something else? What is the nature of this Confluence?

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The article take a stand that Secular Modernity and Modern State were created against Christianity.

This may require some debate before acceptance/furthering/rejection. May there will be a subsequent article that will further evolve this line of thought.

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Requires some important questions to be answered.

1. Is there is a Modern State today whose Constitution appreciates the Pagan World & Abrahamic World equally? Do all its Institutions deal with both worlds equally, effectively without contradiction?

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2. Why is Liberalism a consequence of Modernity so Universalist in its approach? Isn’t Liberalism the best foot forward of Modernity? Is not Liberalism causing immense violence in the world today - intellectual and otherwise?

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3. Has the Humanities world wide - the creation of Modernity - ever appreciated the Pagan World effectively? Is it using the Categories of the Pagan World in their descriptions of the same World? Leave alone integrating those Categories into the high seat of Humanities?

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4. If Modernity is failing in all these, what are those surgeries that ought to be performed on it, before elevating it to the ‘Chatra Chaya’ of Dharma?

This interesting discussion will continue. Thanks to Shri. Harsh for initiating this.

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14 Sep
The Seven Levels in which Life is organised in Bharateeya Parampara.

1. The Philosophy (The Tatva and the Siddhanta)
2. The Principles (The Sutra)
3. The Social Organizations – (Kula, Jati, Varna)
4. The Tradition – (The Sampradaya)
5. The Practices – (The Shastra Paddhati)

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6. The Customs (The Achara and Reeti)
7. The Rituals (The Karma)

Level-1 is the Philosophical Top

Level-3 to 7 is the Life Organised at the bottom

Level-2 that connects the two is the Confluence you are referred to. That is anchored by the Paradigm of Sutra.

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Level-3-7 if they are truly Bottom-Up ie., with absolute control to the individual and the community, it is because of the Conceptualization of Sutra and the ease with which Community/Individual can indulge in its operation and instrumentation.

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It proposes a change and reconstruction of the same for the Modern World to face the Triad of Modernity, Industrial Revolution and Monotheistic Assault.

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And some musings on the #Smriti -s

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- Kula was the most real and coherent entity
- Jati was an aggregate of Kula-s
- Varna was the characteristic of an aggregate of Jati-s. It was more a perspective or View.

Will elaborate on Varna later in the thread.

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The organization of Kula was around a “Profession” and a custom designed Tradition/Sampradaya from the larger Hindu Philosophy.

A Kula always moved together because it was minimally self-contained for the “Purushartha Practice” in that Profession

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That is a good question. “On what basis do people disagree?”

There are 3 basis.

1. Explicit historical references
2. Different explanations to any verses that deny space for ICM
3. Different philosophical basis to the whole thing

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1. Itihasa is full of ICM references including the Smritis.

- One can constantly see new “Jati-s” emerging at different points in time in history. A few Kulas begin to endorse ICM with “specific” jAti-s only. Over a period of time they become different jAti-s.

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- itihAsa puranam itself has such references. Eg., the Soota Jati. It is a constant marriage between brAhmana women & kShatriya men that resulted in the Soota-jAti. Some have gone onto become Kings, most Ministers/ Advisors and some Bards.

Soota-s were the the greatest Bards

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I dont even know when I learnt of it first. I seem to be knowing it forever. There is a reason for it.

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