Have watched with curious interest the ongoing debate over the American Revolution and Dunmore and one thing has struck me: There were likely a lot of people who supported ending slavery (thru gradual PA/1780-style laws) AND vehemently opposed the Dunmore proclamation.
My lens into this is the debate during the Civil War, so I want to be cautious about reading similar debates backward to the 1770s. But the *means* of emancipation mattered enormously to whites generally in favor of emancipation.
If emancipation were viewed as a product of "treachery" or "insurrection" of some kind (as Dunmore surely was perceived), support for emancipation among moderately anti-slavery elites would dissipate...but not necessarily disappear.
What we need is insight into the views of the enslaved about Somerset, Mum Bett/Eliz. Freeman, etc. and later Dunmore & Henry Clinton's order, AND the relationship between that discourse and generally anti-slavery whites. Did white views of Revolution change as a result? A lot?
I'm convinced that there were *some* VA and Carolina planters motivated to back the Patriot cause in outrage over Dunmore or Henry Clinton. But I'm not convinced that those were the people driving the train of 1774/75 rebellion toward 1775/76 independence.
So, in addition to wanting to know of the discourse among the enslaved in 1773-76, I'd like to know how supporters of PA's 1780 antislavery law viewed British promises of freedom. mountvernon.org/library/digita…
There was clearly some discussion in PA of possible Dunmore effect on emancipated people joining the British cause. But how much?
Here is the dissent in the PA assembly. It cites concern that the emancipation law could lead to slave insurrection in southern states as the war moved into the southern theater. So...it's a word of caution about the *means* of emancipation. But not enough to nix the bill.
That many African Americans joined the Patriot cause - and that Britain abandoned most of the liberated slaves who supported them - is noteworthy. But the crux of the debate is what did elites and the masses think btw 1773 and 1776? Or in 1778 as the southern campaign began?
One other point that the Civil War experience brings to the table: when a state seceded to protect slavery, it didn't hide its motivations. Yes, the 1776 Dec. of Ind. says the King "has excited domestic insurrections among us." But compare to Mississippi Dec. of Causes.
The Miss. Declaration is rhetorically modeled off the 1776 Declaration (as was typical of manifestos of this kind). But instead of burying "excited domestic insurrections" in the last clause, it cites something directly related to slavery in just about every line.
Needless to say, supporters of the Confederacy certainly viewed their "nation-building" project as akin to the work of the Patriots of 1776. But alas, 1861 secession rested upon an entirely different "cornerstone" than that laid out in 1776.
So if there is evidence that fear of Somerset or Dunmore actually motivated more than a few Virginia, Carolina or Georgia planters to join the Patriot cause (or to impel that cause toward Revolution), I'd be interested to see it.
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I've been clear all along that I support @EggerDC in this debate: previous infection-induced immunity should count as immune in a mandate. Antibody or T-cell tests are imperfect, but they could suffice. That said, the replies to BOTH threads here reflect a bigger problem.
@EggerDC That bigger problem is an unwillingness to take at face value the thing being discussed. Those who want to accept infection-induced immunity are deemed anti-vax enablers. Those who oppose an exemption are authoritarians who just want to control people.
In fact, this follows a common pattern that is not just a "very online" phenomenon: a tendency to push the debate into extreme directions. It's unhealthy because this should be a nuanced policy debate over ever-involving science and not a comic book good v. evil fight.
Also, we need to be clear about WHY boosters are justified. It's not to cut down on all infections. It's to cut down on severity and hospitalizations. And 65+ are more vulnerable to severity and hospitalization, both initially after dose 2 and over time.
Another possibility is to have boosters for 65+ and then expand the range of co-morbidities to justify boosters for those under 65.
Didn't realize NYC was tracking cases and hospitalization by vaccination status. So here are the data for the week ending August 28. Unvaccinated are 5X likely to be infected (PCR+) than fully vaccinated. And unvaccinated are 11.4X likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated.
Here is the link below. Note that the cases (and hospitalizations to a lesser extent) of vaccinated rise when the unvaxxed cases rise. But for unvaxxed, cases rose from 6/27 from 36 per 100k to 381 per 100k, while vaxxed rose from 6 to 76. www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid…
Breakthrough cases are more apparent because of the increase in raw numbers of them. But the rate of case increase under Delta between vaxxed and unvaxxed was pretty similar. Vaxxed cases jumped 12.6X with Delta while unvaxxed cases jumped 10.5X with Delta.
Interesting that UK may go with a single dose for 12-15s bc of myocarditis risk (esp. boys). I think this is a conversation we should be having in the US too. I don't know if a single dose, delayed second dose, smaller dose (but still two shots), or status quo is best.
Note that this is for 12-15s (and could be part of conversation for 16-18s), and not for under 12s. The trial for under 12s already involves a lower dose, so I would expect the myo risk to be lower as a result (though we'll see soon when results are published).
It's especially important to think this through as mandates become more widespread for younger people. Dosing varies quite a bit. Might it make sense to vary dosing for teens based on weight instead of age? Boys different dose than girls since boys have higher myo risk?
This might be the most important piece you'll read on covid now. We need explicit answers to: 1) What is the goal at this point? 2) Are the goals different regionally? If so, because of different risk tolerance or other reasons? 3) What are the off ramps? nytimes.com/2021/08/30/opi…
This entire pandemic we've seen both under-reaction and over-reaction. In both situations, we have no discernible goal in mind. I've long argued that the goal should be endemicity, not Zero Covid. That means the virus will circulate, but few will get badly sick.
If Yale is going to push more NPIs with a 99% vaxxed campus, what is the goal there? Where is the off ramp? Meanwhile, here in Tennessee we have less than 50% vaxxed and still plenty of never-infected & not-vaxxed aka "immunologically naive" adults. Hospitals postpone procedures.