Interesting application of offside in the #UEFANationsFinal for Kylian Mbappe's winner.
It's a decision which is correct in law to allow the goal, but one which many will feel should be disallowed in the spirit of the game.
Mbappe is clearly offside when the pass is played.
Remember that being in an offside position is not an offside offence.
The point when the ball is touched by the passer purely sets each player's position relative to each other for offside.
It's what happens after this which decides if there is any offence.
This is the clause which is key to the onside decision in the Kylian Mbappe goal.
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage."
At this point, Eric Garcia makes a deliberate play for the ball, and because he touches it that is considered to reset the offside phase and play Kylian Mbappe onside.
Quirk: if Garcia missed the ball completely at this point, Mbappe would be offside and the goal disallowed.
An important factor in the decision is the distance between Mbappe and Garcia.
The consideration here is Mbappe cannot be "challenging an opponent," which would have been an offside offence.
Obviously, a goal like this raises many questions.
Garcia wouldn't attempt to make this interception if Mbappe wasn't behind him in an offside position.
So in effect Garcia is penalised for trying to make that interception, and Mbappe actually profits from being in the offside position due to the failed interception.
There was a very similar incident in Liverpool v Tottenham in February 2018, when Harry Kane won a late penalty despite being in an offside position.
Just like with Garcia, Dejan Lovren had just brushed the ball as it went through and that played Kane onside.
Referees were actually split on the interpretation of the offside in that game, which didn't have VAR at the time.
I doubt all referees will agree with each other on the application of the offside law on Kylian Mbappe's winner either.
I'd just add that this isn't new in the laws. It's been the offside law for many, many years.
However, in the vast majority of cases referees and assistants still tend to err on the side of caution and give offside.
Fair to say it's very rare to get a situation like this.
Last season, Erling Haaland scored a 95th minute vs. Paderborn in the DFB Pokal.
Haaland was offside when Thomas Delaney played the ball.
But Paderborn defender Svante Ingelsson got the faintest of faint touches and that played Haaland on.
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Here's another, very similar example from LaLiga in July 2020.
Real Sociedad v Granada.
- Roberto Soldado clearly offside from the pass
- Diego Llorente makes a deliberate play, stretching for the interception
- It resets the offside phase, Soldado goal counts.
Belgium vs. Russia, Euro 2020
- Romelu Lukaku clearly offside from the pass
- Andrei Semenov makes a deliberate play, the ball coming off his body
- It resets the offside phase, Lukaku goal counts.
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Wondering when the next edition of the UEFA Nations League is?
- Draw is on December 16
- England in pot 3 and face a very strong group
- Games played in June 2022 (x4), September 2022 (x2)
- UNL takes up the six international dates prior to the World Cup
- Finals in June 2023
England will be drawn against one team from each of these three pots to form their group.
POT 1
Belgium
France
Italy
Spain
POT 2
Portugal
Netherlands
Denmark
Germany
POT 4
Wales
Austria
Czech Republic
Hungary
Format for Euro 2024 qualifying is not yet confirmed, including any details of how teams might earn playoff spots via the Nations League.
It's likely UEFA will want playoff paths via this route, though the same method as 2020 cannot be used as Germany take an auto slot as hosts.
Welcome to another Monday VAR thread. Some protocol bits to explain around some decisions. Fill yourself with rage.
Including:
- Timo Werner disallowed goal / Ward-Prowse red
- Penalty to Leeds?
- Watford "goal"
- Tim Krul on Matej Vydra
- Liverpool v Man City incidents
Starting with Timo Werner's disallowed goal against Southampton.
This all comes down to VAR protocol and what constitutes the Attacking Phase, and is something which I particularly dislike about the process.
To begin with, Attacking Phase isn't reset by a failed clearance.
We get one of these in the Premier League every now and again but as VAR in the PL usually doesn't go back too far in the Attacking Phase, it's rare.
In other leagues fouls some way back in the Attacking Phase are penalised far more regularly.
Not too much to discuss in this week's Monday VAR thread, well until yesterday...
- Harvey Elliot challenge, Patrick Struijk red card
- Liverpool's second goal at Leeds
- Arsenal's winner at Norwich
- Crystal Palace penalty vs. Spurs
Let's start at Elland Road by covering the process behind the red card for Patrick Struijk.
Craig Pawson didn't actually give a free-kick for the challenge when it happened, so the red card came afterwards.
Many ask how he can give a red if he hasn't given a foul.
Once play was stopped for Harvey Elliot to get treatment, referee Pawson spoke to his on-field team, including Andy Madley who was 4th official and was close to the incident.
It was Pawson's decision, in conjunction with his officiating team, to show the red card.
There's a lot of misinformation out there about the 3pm Saturday TV blackout, so a detailed thread on:
- Why it exists
- Why other top leagues don't use the blackout
- What about illegal streaming / ifollow?
- Is it past its sell-by in modern football?
Article 48 of the UEFA Statutes allows any association to decide on 2.5 hours on a Saturday or Sunday, during which any transmission of football may be prohibited within the territory.
England (and Scotland) applies this as 2.45pm to 5.15pm on a Saturday.
This isn't done in England (and Scotland) to protect the attendances at top-flight matches, but throughout the football pyramid.
England has the deepest pyramid, in terms of attendances, and no other league has such a traditional and sacrosanct time for football for ALL games.
It's your (Bank Holiday) Monday VAR thread, lots to cover today, including:
- Reece James red card / penalty
- Man United's winner / Man City's second
- Xhaka red
- Penalty to Norwich / Southampton
- Disallowed Norwich / Brentford goals
Let's start with the Reece James red card for handball on the goal-line.
For all the controversy this has caused, there's no other decision than a penalty and a red card.
James clearly moves his hand into the path of the ball and prevents a goal.
Law 12 is very clear on this.
"Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs."
A goal was denied. James couldn't be booked. He has to be sent off.