1 @alejandrotrojas: "So when you refer to abduction, do you believe that people actually are physically being taken by extraterrestrials?"
Dr. Eric Davis (ED): "I don’t think they’re being taken by extraterrestrials. We don’t have proof that they're extraterrestrials. We
2 ED: "know that whatever it is, is not human. Now there is a hypothesis that they've been abducted by a covert, clandestine, rogue, non-state operation that looks at people of specific backgrounds with specific predisposition, maybe it’s a genetic thing, too. And they
3 ED: "get abducted because they’re being tested or examined or there’s a purpose involved with that. That’s a hypothesis I’ve heard among the colleagues. And the standard hypothesis that comes from John Mack & David Jacobs, & Budd Hopkins' work has all been the extraterrestrial
4 ED: "hypothesis that UFOs are from another planet, they're coming down, they’re going to pick a few humans off the ground to evaluate them. Just like a cattle rancher who’s breeding a specific breed of Black Angus or specific breed of Charolais cattle, wants to walk randomly
5 ED: "into the pen or into the pasture, nab a particular cow, take it back. And like the former [#Skinwalker] ranch manager, the original owner of the ranch at the time, in our era (Terry Sherman), the one who reported all of his family’s problems with that phenomenon & ended up
6 ED: "working for Bob Bigelow when they left the ranch. He was a college educated, very sophisticated animal husbandry expert, & it wasn’t just his skill at running a ranch, raising cattle. It was his skill in that he was able to do crossbreeding & hybridization breeding using
7 ED: "the techniques he learned in college. And that was, he could transplant embryos, he knew all the process and procedures for developing bovine embryos and transplanting them in order to get the best breed of cattle with the best meat quality for market. So, he was
that
8 ED: "sophisticated. So he’s gonna wander into the ranch and just grab this female & that female there & take them into to the lab or whatever he had at the ranch that served as a spot for examining his cattle, his two cows, his breeding cows. So that’s similar, in a way, it’s
9 ED: "almost a similar function. The only thing I caution your listeners is, don’t assume that you can apply human ways of thinking about these things because, although there’s a metaphorical analogy to it, the fact is, anything that's non-human, will not necessarily think like
10 ED: "a human because the way they evolved, the way their senses developed. And the way the senses invite information into whatever neurological complex, neurological cognitive organ in their bodies, which we would call a brain. So they’re not going to have the same ways
11 ED: "or methods & frame of mind & processes to think & rationalize the way humans do because of the environment they came from. So, we can't assume that. Now, if you’re thinking they’re a rogue, covert operation of some sort, whether military or non-state actors? Sure, they’re
12 ED: "going to behave like humans do, they’re going to operate like humans do. But if you’re going to take the hypothesis that this isn't human, then don’t overlay human thinking and human framework or human frame of mind, I should say, and human theories and human explanations
13 ED: "& speculations on what they’re doing. Because what they’re doing, u do not know. They haven’t communicated that to us. We have no idea what that’s about. We could speculate endlessly so you've got to be very cautious about that."
Alejandro Rojas (AR): "The hard part with
14 AR: "speculation, especially w/science, we don’t know what we don’t know & typically the answers r things we can’t even speculate bc we don’t know."
ED: "We do know one thing: They’re there, they’re doing something. We don’t know their origin because they
16 Davis heard a hypothesis from colleagues that abductions may be carried out by covert, rogue humans. Was one of the sources of that information Admiral Thomas Wilson in 2002?
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Knapp: The last four years has brought so much change. NYT publishes story on AATIP. Reid, Elizondo and so on. But it was WRONG. Primary program was AAWSAP with BAASS as the contractor. 50 hired. Largest database on UFOs.
2 Not just UFOs but Skinwalker Ranch & related phenomena. Hard to believe but true. Many, including folks in ufology refuse to cover it. Bigelow announced the BAASS contract on C2C back in 2007 (or 2008?). Tic Tac investigation was AAWSAP, not AATIP.
3 Kelleher talks about the four year media coverage & says most of media has been on 5% of what the program was about. Origins went back to Vallee, Puthoff, Bigelow, Schuessler & 2007-2008 & brainstorming on best way to study this. Usual way is nuts and bolts but the other side
1 Dr. Colm Kelleher: (CK) "We actually data based several hundred cases where individuals, both here & beyond the United States had encountered #UFOs & had had physiological effects, pathological effects & medical effects, some of which, medical effects, were quite serious. And
2 CK: "to that end, in terms of real-time investigations in medical #UFO effects, we had two physician scientists, & I'm talking MD/PhDs that were consultants w/AAWSAP, and their task was basically to be as a part of a team that would go out & investigate UAP-related injuries.
3 CK: "We had a few that were real time. And normally during a #UFO investigation, investigators may spend a few days with the witnesses. In terms of these medical-type investigations, these investigations went on sometimes for months & sometimes for years. And a lot of
1 FYI, these kind of poltergeist-like phenomena happen to people who've never stepped foot on SWR.
"Most people who spent more than a day on #Skinwalker Ranch brought 'something' home with them from the property. The effect was almost universal, and universally unpleasant.
2 "Even during the NIDS days when Kelleher and Eric Davis spent literally hundreds of days on night watches on Skinwalker Ranch (1996–1999), their wives would occasionally remark waking up at night and seeing 'people' in their bedrooms, or black shadows walking through the house.
3 "These post-ranch events were noticeable, but mild, during the NIDS years. But they escalated dramatically with the AAWSAP BAASS program at the ranch in 2009."
1 is @MiddleOfMayhem, if folks like had paid attention to what @g_knapp said in March of 2019, they wouldn't be so surprised at some of what was said today about AAWSAP.
Knapp: "The Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application program. So u didn’t see that term in the New York
2 Knapp: "Times story. But that’s what the program was called in the beginning: AAWSAP. And the twenty-two million dollars that was spent, that u saw, did not go to the AATIP…the study of flying saucers, the program in the Pentagon. It went to Bob Bigelow. It was put out in a
3 Knapp: "contract. It was advertised on the federal network. Bigelow was the only one who applied for the bid. That was in 2007, is when the groundwork was laid for it. 2008 is when the contract was awarded. And it made sense that he would get it. For one thing, he was willing
Hopefully, this is a wake up call 4 those folks who have ignored this story for far too long or the ones who told us AAWSAP & the follow-up effort, AATIP, were not about UFOs, or was a sweetheart deal for Mr. B. Search Twitter 4 some really bad takes & analysis. Meanwhile, enjoy.
"And we actually [had a?] database [of several hundred?] cases where individuals both here & beyond the US had encountered ufos & had had physiological effects, pathological effects & medical effects, some of which medical effects were quite serious.” C Kelleher
Lacatski: “'Now, if you want to look at the tail end of the project, you’ll find over 100 documents required to be reported to the Defense Intelligence Agency that were UFO related,' Lacatski said. 'In part, of course, they were large documents and you also have technical