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17 Oct, 13 tweets, 5 min read
Take the same compromised people, add a few more, find a biosafety expert that lauds the excellent biosafety of Chinese labs and decries ‘typical conspiracy theories’, sugar coat it with a few neutral names and you have a SAGO cake. dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…
A cake with a near null dose of honest biosafety expertise (1 in 26), but a fat dose of EcoHealth devotees with a fully formed and reliable opinion as to the necessary zoonotic origins of COVID-19.

Here are Fisher and Koopmans (both in SAGO) having a good laugh at critics.
Watch the video - it's edifying.
Dr Yungui Yang (the Chinese member of SAGO) really likes Koopmans, especially the way she wrote to him that she agrees with the China's plans for Phase 2 and the way she discards Jesse Bloom's findings.
news.cgtn.com/news/2021-09-0…
Koopmans has been involved in Gain of Function research of concern for decades.

A total of 27 publications by Prof Koopmans with Ron Fouchier (and others) (2004-2021) suggests that her career has long been enmeshed with GoF.

But no COI obviously.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=%28mario…
Supaporn (new on SAGO) is a subcontractor on NIH grant U01-AI151787 to EcoHealth Alliance.
Her team at Chulalongkorn University is to receive a subcontract of USD 1.07 million in 20-25.

No COI, right?
documentcloud.org/documents/2105….
Anyway she has been a safe hand for many years.
She used to work with DARPA before 2009 and then with EHA.
vice.com/en/article/9kj…
She also did the bat guano epiphany paper of 2013 with Olival and Epstein from EcoHealth Alliance in 2013 - a few months after the Mojiang’s workers deaths, using old DARPA samples and DARPA PREDICT funding, and never mentioning Mojiang.

Serendipity.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/artic…
And she was back with Linfa Wang (who never disclosed DEFUSE) in a Nature paper about bat and pangolin BatCoVs similar to SARS-CoV-2 in Feb 2021, just when the WHO team was in Wuhan.
nature.com/articles/s4146…

Fortuitous timing.

(Unfortunately the pangolins have been debunked)
Thea Fisher also denied that China did not provide important data:
news.cgtn.com/news/2021-09-0…

"Spies [!!] then falsely claimed that the Chinese government didn't give important data to the expert team, but the conspiracy was countered again by experts like Daszak and Thea Fischer."
While Summermatter goes ballistic and explains that Chinese labs could never cause an outbreak, or that even if a lab employee infection occured it would be all fine because they all know what to do and are very careful.
I hope you will enjoy your SAGO cake. It's there to stay as a permanent committee to help solve future pandemics too, so we'd better get use to it.

Magistral play for China who will never be bothered again. Double win.

Feel free to send your feedback to SAGO@who.int.
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19 Oct
@arambaut @BioSRP @bmj_latest @BallouxFrancois @Ayjchan One fault in the argument, @arambaut:
You are assuming that the mine workers were infected with RaTG13.

All we know is that
1. They tested IgG+ to some SARS like BatCoV and had symptoms very similar to COVID-19

2. RaTG13 (then BatCov4991) was sampled from that Mine in 2013
@arambaut @BioSRP @bmj_latest @BallouxFrancois @Ayjchan Now as you know, there would likely have been a mosaic of BatCoVs somehow similar to RaTG13 in that mine in 2012.
It’s not because we only know of RaTG13 that it’s all there was.

From there the Mojiang Passage Theory can make sense.
@arambaut @BioSRP @bmj_latest @BallouxFrancois @Ayjchan What we would need is much more sampling of that mine, at different times of the year too.

But there is not much available - and access is restricted. So this is not going to happen soon.
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18 Oct
Important insights.

Jeffrey Sachs basically had to get rid of Daszak and anybody linked to him after he refused to disclose to him the WIV grants he was involved with.

Jeffrey had to learn about them via FOIA'd documents and via the DEFUSE leak. Very unpleasant experience. Image
“I said there was no way he could be task force chair or on the commission if he didn’t share those.” Image
"The other 11 people on the task force refused to remove Daszak from their ranks, but agreed to make Keusch their chair instead."

So basically he first asked Daszak to step down from any work on the origins and keep working on the epidemiology side first.
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16 Oct
@kcz100 @MonaRahalkar @thackerpd @amymaxmen @alisonannyoung @Ayjchan @R_H_Ebright @FilippaLentzos Kathrin Summermatter, about a possible research-related accident:

“I consider this very unrealistic, a classic conspiracy theory.”

“Ich erachte das als sehr unrealistisch, eine klassische Verschwörungstheorie.”

headtopics-com.translate.goog/ch/stammt-das-…
@kcz100 @MonaRahalkar @thackerpd @amymaxmen @alisonannyoung @Ayjchan @R_H_Ebright @FilippaLentzos Kathrin:

“China has had a very high level of high security laboratories for over ten years. They have frequent inspections and very strict safety standards.”
@kcz100 @MonaRahalkar @thackerpd @amymaxmen @alisonannyoung @Ayjchan @R_H_Ebright @FilippaLentzos “During the Sars epidemic in 2004, employees were infected outside a laboratory. As a result, the biosecurity of laboratories in China has been greatly improved.”

Well, at least we know where Kathrin stands.
Great addition to the SAGO team, no doubt.
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15 Oct
It is amazing to see how the NY Times and no less than Nature have been distorting the significance of the BANAL BatCovs found in Laos.
@carlzimmer @SmritiMallapaty
nytimes.com/2021/10/14/sci…
Both articles have left the scientific domain for the opinions one - if not the political opinions one - by asserting that the Laos BANAL BatCoV finds reinforce the zoonotic origin hypothesis.
nature.com/articles/d4158…
Now let's cut through the noise and go back to the horse mouth, Marc Eloit the main author of that paper - from the Institut Pasteur.

On the key issue of the absence of the not-banal-at-all FCS in all the BANAL BatCoVs:
"It is possible that it was acquired in a lab"
@Ayjchan
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15 Oct
Another good article by ⁦@ParkSuAm1996⁩ and ⁦@simonelmc⁩

Science turns nasty in Covid-19 origins argument on Twitter | South China Morning Post archive.is/2021.10.14-234…
Jesse Bloom:
“I no longer think it’s a conspiracy theory that the furin cleavage site could have been engineered,”

He also added that he was “stunned” to see the DARPA proposal and questioned why the scientists involved didn’t come forward to disclose it earlier.
Holmes said that it was “staggeringly inept” for Peter Daszak, the head of EcoHealth Alliance, and the scientists involved in the DARPA application to not have made it public “when everyone is looking for transparency”
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14 Oct
Please see an English translation of that great article in the Express:
@yohanblavignat
bit.ly/3lJ694A
By the way I had a good laugh at the 60 minutes story about Daszak in Tioman.

They make it sound like it is in the middle of nowhere, even saying that it is 'West of Borneo' when it is actually directly of the coast of peninsular Malaysia.
I went diving there in the 90s like so many tourists in Asia.

It's rather easy to go there: there is a little airport (short landing or you hit the hill!) and then you take a boat to your beach.
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