Good morning from Manchester on Day 5 of @the_mpts case of Dr Adrian Harrop. The proceedings are due to begin at 10:30am and we're here ready to go.
For Clarity, Adrian Harrop will be abbreviated to AH, his representative Giles Powell, GP and GMC representative Ryan Donahue is RD.
Tribunal members Nicholas Flannagan is CHAIR, Dr. Vivek Sen, VS, and Mr Gulzar Mufti, GM.
We are running late. Hopefully we'll get started soon.
We begin.
GP begins giving apologies (voice too low) and saying there are typos in the documents he's forwarded. Chair is fine with this.
Discussion about burden of proof.
There is a disagreement between GP and RD about the advice given yesterday.

Chair discusses second issue for GP, in relation to good character, he has admitted intimidating to A. Therefore no ability to say no propensity to intimidate
Chair: AH has no criminal convictions.
GP: 'propensity' needs to be looked at as a single issue
Chair: you've both made submissions, I don't intend to summarise though as they're complicated. Just grateful for submissions. Just looking at anonymity.
Any doctor that identifies as a doctor on social media. I'm intrigued...in relation to article 10, there's nothing wrong with him exercising his rights of article 10. ...what I'm asking is...a professional may be obliged to identify themselves... (not clear)
Chair: he didn't have to identify himself as a doctor, he didn't have to use his name to express himself unrestrictively. One reason we're here is that he's identified as a doctor
GP: I come from a different direction. We see no way seek to depart from the standard...
...he's subject to the standards in the same way you and I are. First he has a right to free speech and he has a right not to be subject to discrimination. When you look at what he's done you have to judge it against that. You'll see B brought his own judicial review
GP: ...when you come to look at you can't throw out the right of expression. You have to consider that.....(missed a bit) need to work if inappropriate or offensive.
Chair: where there may be evidence to intimidate/cyber bullying. How does article 10 relate to that
GP: all I'm saying is you can't look at...(too fast) context is everything.
Example: you're thinking what is he doing here...he comes back to that and we have to look at was that is his intention. You've got to loom at the background of it all and cyberbullying you have to the...
GP: same. You can't just ignore it...and second proposition in relation this is if fact he's exercising free speech to B, do you want me to call it by his real name.
Chair: keep it as B
Gp: ...you can't find him to be guilty...if in fact it's protected outside article 10
GP: why is the discrimination aspect right.. he's also entitled in doing that, he's also entitled not to be subject of discrimination from others to him.
1. Relevant to circumstance
2. Relevant to (missed)
3. Point about its a qualified right under article 10.
RD: given article 10 is a right there are circumstances where its not appropriate.
(Chair explaining discrepancies between free speech and saying AH is arguing whether people can exist)
RD: comments issue is way they are phrased, underlying meanings, the contents,
Chair: some of the tweets AH was responding to was discriminatory. What do you say to that?
RD: can't dispute...
Chair interrupts to say no evidence, from E for example. It wasn't pit to him that when E called him a 'faggot' why didn't he take it to twitter
Chair: second case is if he complained to twitter they may have allowed it, is he not supposed to respond.
RD: ...he didn't take the heat out the situation, he didn't follow the guidance. I'm aware there's no evidence in that regard.
Chair says the convo has been very useful. GP is 'slightly concerned with what's just suggested. He was motivated by Transgender issues...concerning..I'm sorry can you remind me last point
CHAIR: the right to respond
GP: (missed)...they're infringing his right to reply... (missed) shouldn't have said what you said but if doing it against the background of discrimination, a material reason is that he expressed views of discrimination
Chair: our intentions is read through RD submissions...we'll read those and adjourn until 12.
The tribunal members have asked for another 10 minutes.

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19 Nov
We're back.
Chair: the tribunal now needs to go and make a decision privately. At that point we need to distill that I to a document and that takes time. We'll then go to a process with a committee and how we arrived at that. The earliest day is midday on Wednesday.
It's likely that day will move and if you'll be so kind to provide contacts if we think it's Thurs or Fri we will inform you.
GP: is there a possibility of it being earlier
Chairman: no
Chair: of you cantget here maybe you can be here by other means. We will make sure sufficient time to arrive. We're not going to tell you to be here immediately.
GP: clarifies again won't be earlier
Chair says no and thanks to everyone.
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We are back.
Chair welcomes back.
RD discussing submissions.
Chair says the guidance documents weren't contained within it, they're publucally available, rarely placed into a bundle. Other point to article 6, missing tweets, not determinative in this case
RD: ....evidence could be obtained and rare to stop because of missing evidence overlaps with article 6. Gmc say can make this decision fairly
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Chairman: have you had a time to talk about the Vice article?
AH: yes
Chairman: do you have questions Mr. Donahugh?
RD: you've read it?
AH: I've skimmed it
RD: there's a number of quotes are they accurate
AH: They are accurate.
RD: how did the article come ro be?
AH: my friend Ben hunter reached out as a friend saying he'd like to write an article in support of me and my experience.
RD: did you know it'd be published this week?
AH: no
RD: going to read a few quotes, AH believes it was an orchestrated campaign against you. Do you believe that's the case
AH: no, that quote was from a long response to Hunte
GP: says not the quote can we have the full quote
RD reads full quote
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We are back.

Dr Sen paraphrases AD'S evidence.
Sen: when you first saw Dr kumar and Dr Cooper, you looked at the guidance superficially and cast them aside. The guidance has only come come be a thing for you in last 6 months. You've been a salaried Dr since 2019
Sen: when did you finish your membership exam, did you have a chance to read the guidance.
AH: I did have knowledge of it but only for purposes for passing the exam.
This is different from holding information dear that remembering things for an exam
DR sen: would some of it not sunk in?
AH: I'm speculating to be truthful...lost my trail of thought.. ask me question again.
Dr: would some of that info not have sunk in?
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18 Nov
We are back.
RD: just want to look briefly at the issue of 'insight'. You've said your insight was partial in 2018/2019
AH: yes
RD: when do you think your insight has begun to develop
AH: to a significant degree in the last 6 months
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AH: it was maladaptive and it was wrong and I was point scoring and gaming idea. It felt joyous scoring these points.the likes, the retweets, I was given awards for it. It made me feel a rush of adrenalin and dopamine. I thought I was doing the right thing. I realise now
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We are resuming now.
AH asks for more water.
RD: AH I'd like to look at E's tweets towards you, relevant to these allegations. Paragraph 49, D1 p.22.
You said E tweeted you 50 tweets from 30th March to 1st april
RD: you've not produced these tweets.
(Confusion over pages) AH says he can't see it and needs assistance. Chair clarifies the bundle number and RD says he doesn't know why his bundle is different and it's concerning
GP isn't sure why.
RD: want to ask AH the tweets you produce in that bundle. Some are specific refs to you. Tweet beginning 'yes you are you sick degenerate'
AH isn't sure if he's got the right tweet.
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