Here is a thread that looks at the zoonosis evangelists main argument that:
** since zoonosis happens all the time we should just use that hypothesis as the default one - the burden of proof must be on the research-related side **
First let me state that this argument is a fallacy that makes the most of the fact that people don't intuitively have a good grasp of probabilities.
One can explain this this way: Suppose that there are two lotteries in China: a zoonosis lottery and a research-accident lottery.
Let's say that the zoonosis lottery sells 20 times more tickets over China, and also that each ticket has the same chance of winning a top prize (whatever the lottery).
So on average you get 20 zoonosis top prizes for one accident top prize across China.
But Wuhan is also where most of the research accidents happen because that's where most of the research in China is done.
So Wuhan effectively buys most of the accident tickets in China.
At the same time it buys ~ 1% of the zoonosis tickets in China (just one of many cities).
So if you are told that Wuhan won a top prize, which lottery do you think it won?
Simple: roughly 5 times more chance of winning the research-related accident lottery than the zoonosis lottery, since it purchased 5 times more accident-lottery tickets than zoonosis ones.
Main conclusion:
Once you know that Wuhan won the lottery, the probability of this being a research-related accident suddenly goes dramatically up compared to China as a whole: from 1 in 21 (China) to 5 in 6 (Wuhan).
It's a complete switch.
And the morality could be:
"Zoonosis happens all the time in China but research-related accidents happen in Wuhan."
Also, those with Machine Learning experience will recognise the 'happens all the time' argument as a naive majority-class classifier.
That's the kind of binary dummy classifier that does nothing else that saying that everything belongs to the majority class.
It's often right (by the very definition of the majority class) but it is completely useless as it does not even try to predict anything.
It's like a spam filter that would mark ALL your emails as spam because your receive on average more truly spammy emails than valid ones.
For some reason it's alright though when some virologists, epidemiologists and science writers turn into majority-class classifiers.
I am not sure why.
In Machine Learning it's fatally flawed because it does not consider the cost of getting it wrong.
Which by the way is exactly what these scientists and science writers are doing with SARS-CoV-2 origins, as they typically also tell us that the benefits of the research are well worth the risk.
If the cost of getting it wrong is small, then indeed everything can be a zoonosis.
Going back to the existence of Nov cases that have since then been 'cancelled' by China, please remember the US intel Nov 19 warning. researchgate.net/publication/35…
Also remember the nine Nov confirmed cases from the SCMP (based on official Chinese sources).
My Silent Numbers give you all the sources (inc. the SCMP without firewall).
I also graphed the SCMP numbers (SCMP tab at top)
One of the best papers I read about dating the index case is actually co-authored by Worobey himself.
That's Pekar et al with its mid-Oct to mid-Nov estimate - which we referred to extensively in our 'October Surprise'.
Pekar et al: science.org/doi/10.1126/sc…
This was also the conclusion of a good Feb 20 paper by Chinese scientists + Cambridge educated Corlett.
I have been pointing to that paper many times. This was published within two months of the outbreak becoming public - and yet the conclusions are still valid.
This 'cancelation' of early cases, and epidemiological tea-leaves reading - based on late data with a very likely sampling bias (early cases had to be connected to the market to be retained) and the same signature as a simple population density map - is not science.
Just stating the obvious that THE FIRST CASE WAS NOT IN DECEMBER exposes the mendicant analysis of that recent piece, which feeds of the scraps of data left by China and then props itself up on odd logical shortcuts.
One could hardly think of a more conflicted sentence than this one for instance:
First, if indeed Mr Chen was infected during his hospital trip on the 8th Dec (as he suspect may be the case), then the whole logic implodes. @MichaelWorobey
It would mean that Jinxia, about 28km away from the market, had community transmission in hospital setting by the 8th.
(by the way our DRASTIC map had these documents and the 16th as likely onset date - and we all made it public ages ago) @sciencecohen
This piece is essentially a 'people' article, with a rather defiant 'I've done nothing wrong' message. science.org/content/articl…
As any 'people' piece, it starts with the violins, the story of a 'brave' scientist born out of the post war ashes and northern England post-industrial glum, all pouring out in a falsetto voice.
That should hopefully warm up the readers and predispose them to shed a tear for the description of the martyr of Saint Daszak that soon follows.
So we get the image of the crucifiction thrown in too.
One should add Mark Honigsbaum’s recent article in the Guardian to the list of politically motivated disinformation pieces that abuse the Laos findings:
The opening sets an unfortunate political tone, which is rather trite and totally unnecessary, unless Mark aims to please a political tribe instead of going through a rigorous review:
"Ridley, a Conservative hereditary peer.."
Is Matt now guilty of being born?
Very fancy ideas about hereditary responsibility here for a science writer. The last time this was fashionable it did not work out very well.
Seriously, it's better to abstain from taking cheap political swipes at someone.