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25 Nov, 12 tweets, 3 min read
People keep sending me this video on Youtube about ivermectin and Japan, and I think it's a wonderful litmus test for basic critical thinking

It's nonsense, and the deficiencies are very obvious
In the video, Dr. John Campbell repeats the claim that, since Covid-19 claims dropped after the 13th of August, and as this was the point that ivermectin was "allowed as a treatment", this means that ivermectin had some massive implied benefit Image
But, as Dr. Campbell notes, there was no policy change in Japan on the 13th of August. There was absolutely no difference in terms of patient care before or after this "intervention"
What actually happened was that the chair of the Tokyo Medical Association, a non-official, local group of doctors, gave a press conference where he recommended ivermectin as a treatment

THAT IS LITERALLY IT Image
Prior to the 13th of August, all of these things were true, and after the 13th they were still true. Nothing changed at all except for a press conference Image
So, let's take half a second and do some very basic critical thinking here. We have an intervention - a doctor giving a press conference - and an outcome - the dramatic decline in cases

How likely is it that the press conference impacted ivermectin use and/or cases?
In this case, we've actually got a control! The same doctor, it turns out, has been recommending ivermectin for most of 2021. He even gave a press conference saying the same thing in February Image
As to whether this second press conference changed behaviour in Japan sufficiently to increase use of ivermectin at all, we simply don't know. No one has assessed ivermectin prescribing trends because that requires some minimal due diligence
In other words, we don't even know if one doctor promoting ivermectin appreciably increased its use, never mind whether this may have translated into a decrease in cases
It does seem incredibly unlikely that a non-official press conference that changed nothing about ivermectin prescription or supply would dramatically change the use of the drug, but the point is that the entire idea is predicated on vague supposition anyway
What we do know is that in our control intervention, cases dropped a little then rose shortly after. So it's a pretty long bow to suggest that the press conference sometimes increases cases but at other times decreases them Image
The most likely explanation here seems to be that there's basically no relationship between one doctor giving press conferences and the number of cases in Japan, which to be honest is probably what we'd expect

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23 Nov
The anonymous people behind ivm meta dot com have put together a response to this excellent piece. Their main argument is that it doesn't look at all the evidence

So, following Scott Alexander's fine example, let's briefly review the prophylaxis literature 1/n Image
2/n Here are all 15 prophylaxis studies, in their wonderful glory

I'm going to try and be brief, but we'll see how that goes Image
3/n First up, Shouman. In this 'randomized' study, the authors ceased allocating people into the control group at some point, no allocation concealment, and massive differences between groups at baseline

Incredibly low-quality. Exclude
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22 Nov
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retractionwatch.com/2021/11/09/bad…
From the hospital where this work was conducted:

"...a careful review of our data for patients with COVID-19...only 25 of 191 patients (13.1%) received all 4 MATH+ therapies, and their mortality rate was 28%" rather than 6.1% cited in the article

journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.117…
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8 Nov
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