OK - it's Day 2 of US v. #GhislaineMaxwell; Inner City Press covered Day 1 at the end of which Epstein pilot Visoski was on direct, including about video in Epstein's mansion innercitypress.com/sdnytrial29cma… Inner City Press will live tweet, incl the cross, thread below
Before Visoski re-takes the stand (scheduled for 9:30), Judge Nathan brings up again the unidentified juror who'd have to travel between Christmas and New Years.
Maxwell's lawyer Pagliuca: We'd like to know which juror it is, or at least if they are an alternate.
Judge Nathan: I think I have to excuse the juror, if they can't cancel or move the trip. I'll step down.
Clerk Ms. Williams: All rise!
Judge Nathan returns and says: I asked but it seems there is no way to change or move the trip. So I have excused Juror Number 58. The other jurors are ready. Please bring the witness into the box.
Larry Visoski, in the plexiglass witness box, says, "I'm OK."
Assistant US Attorney Maurene Comey: May the witness remove his mask?
Judge Nathan: Yes.
AUSA Comey: Good more, Mister Visoski. What assistants did Mr. Epstein have other than Ms. Maxwell?
Visoski: There were many.
AUSA Comey: Did Ms. Maxwell have assistants?
Visoski: She did.
AUSA Comey: Can you name some assistants?
Visoski: There was a Kimberly and, of course, Sarah Kellen.
AUSA Comey: Is that Ms. Kellen?
[Exhibit is a woman in a bright green dress]
Visoski: Yes.
AUSA Comey: Shat's this?
Visoski: The entrance to Mr. Epstein's Zorro Ranch... There is a triple-wide trailer with a faux Western facade. We had a runway and a hangar for our aircraft.
AUSA Comey: How many acres was Mr Epstein's ranch?
Visoski: Ten thousand acres.
AUSA Comey: Did you ever go into the main residence.
Visoski: Yes. To pick up luggage, and install electronics. Mr. Epstein was a real audiophile. He also had a home theater with a drop-down screen. He had a little family room off to the side.
AUSA Comey: Turning now to Mr. Epstein's island, what was it called?
Visoski: Little St. James. It was a regular destination. I also flew the helicopter, from St. Thomas to Little St. James. Also, more electronics installation.
AUSA Comey: How else could you get there?
Visoski: Boat.
AUSA Comey: OK, where did you meet Ms. Maxwell?
Visoski: She had a three bedroom apartment, I installed electronics there too. Then she bought her own townhouse.
AUSA: Why did you go there?
Visoski: Luggage.
AUSA Comey: Did Ms. Maxwell ever fly the helicopter?
Visoski: Many times.
AUSA Comey: And what are these photos?
Visoski: That's Mr. Epstein in front of his plane.
[The plane is black and Epstein is standing in front of it in a yellow windbreaker, with a smile.]
AUSA Comey: For Mr. Epstein, did you ever fly to Traverse City, Michigan?
Visoski: Yes. Must have been summer or Fall, cherry season.
AUSA Comey: Where did you pick up his luggage?
Visoski: The Interlochen School of Music [Center for the Arts]
AUSA Maurene Comey: I offer into evidence this stipulation, that the dates of birth of these individuals are correct. We are submitting these under seal. Let the jurors pick up the binders under their chairs, to see the sealed exhibits. But don't open it.
Judge Nathan: And don't put them on the screen. Paper only. [Pause] I need glasses.
AUSA Comey: Government Exhibit 12... Mr. Visoski, is this the name of the female singer you remember being a passenger on Mr. Epstein's plane?
Visoski: Yes.
AUSA Comey: We'll call her Jane. How did you meet her?
Visoski: Mr. Epstein brought her to the cockpit. She had piercing powder blue eyes.
AUSA Comey: Do you remember Virginia Roberts?
Visoski: Yes. A shorter woman with dirty blonde hair.
AUSA Comey: Nothing further.
Judge Nathan: You may cross examine.
Maxwell's lawyer Christian R. Everdell: You started working for Mr. Epstein with Dave Rogers, correct?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And he let you use the restroom?
Visoski: Yes. Like I need to now.
Judge Nathan: OK, looks like it's time for our mid-morning break.
Everdell: One last question before we break - did you walk through the cabin?
Visoski: Yes, in the Gulf Stream.
Everdell: Take a break.
Clerk: All rise!
Thread will continue.
During the break, did a quick 4 minute podcast. Now they're back.
Judge Nathan: Mr. Everdell, how much longer? 20 minutes?
Everdell: An hour.
Here's the pod, then continues cross examination beneath it anchor.fm/innercity-pres…
Judge Nathan: I hope you had a pleasant and TIMELY break, jurors. You may proceed.
Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: I trust you're feeling better.
Visoski: Much better.
Everdell: So you walked through the Gulf Stream to use the restroom, correct?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: If Mr. Epstein were engaging in sex acts with underage girls he probably would have told you not to leave the cockpit, correct?
Objection!
Judge Nathan: Overruled.
Visoski: Correct.
Everdell: So this was before cell phones, and you were using beepers, correct?
Visoski: Yes. I'd recognize Mr. Epstein's number.
Everdell: And you'd mostly hear about flights from Ghislaine if she was going to be on them, right?
Visoski: Mostly.
Everdell: So former President Bill Clinton flew on the plane, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And you were told to clean up.
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: But some passengers, you were never told the names, right?
Visoski: Correct.
Everdell: I want to ask you about a few specific flights. You mentioned Interlochen, the arts center. Did you know that Epstein himself attended the summer camp, when he was a child?
Visoski: I was not.
Everdell: On your flights to Interlochen, wasn't Itzhak Perlman on one?
Visoski: Yes he was.
Everdell: And Epstein had a cabin there, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And you flew Mr. Epstein to Columbus, Ohio to see Les Wexner, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And the women we're calling Jane, you knew her real name, right?
Visoski: I do.
Everdell: And beyond the striking blue eyes, you have said she had large breasts, right?
Visoski: She was a mature woman.
Everdell: I'm sorry, we're having a choreography issue.
Judge Nathan: Can we move past it without sending the jurors back into the jury room?
Everdell: Yes, as long as I can return to it.
Judge Nathan: We'll just take a five minute break now.
Clerk: All rise!
Jury returns late.
Judge Nathan: Well at least you're getting your steps in. Please proceed.
Everdell: So there were others in Epstein's world who had the same name as the person we are calling Jane?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: Like sealed exhibit LV3a and LV3b
Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: Are you familiar with Prince Andrew?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And he flew on Mr. Epstein's plane, right?
Visoski: He did.
Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: Are you familiar with Annie Farmer?
Visoski: I've heard the name. But I don't know of any record.
Everdell: Put up LV4 and LV5. Mr. Visoski, do you see the documents, with names?
Visoski: Yes.
Judge Nathan: Admitted under seal.
Everdell: The person we're calling Kate, her real name is on LV4, right?
Visoski: I don't remember that name at all.
Everdell: You've mentioned Bill Clinton, Itzhak Perlman, Prince Andrew... Did Donald Trump fly on Epstein's plane?
Visoski. Yes, he did.
Everdell: And John Glenn and George Mitchell flew on Epstein's plane, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And Kevin Spacey?
Visoski: Yes.
[Inner City Press coverage of Spacey case @SDNYLIVE: innercitypress.com/sdny17dkaplans…
Everdell: After first staying in a hotel, did Mr. Epstein put you up in an apartment?
Visoski: Yes. At 301 East 66 Street. Sarah Kellen stayed there too. And the person who's name we can't say, LV3a.
Everdell: But not Jane, right?
Visoski: I did not see Jane.
Everdell: The green sports car, who gave it to Mr. Epstein?
Visoski: Les Wexner.
Everdell: And Mr. Epstein gave you 40 acres of land in New Mexico, on which to build you home>
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And he paid your two children's college tuition?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: He cared about your daughters when they were in college, right?
Visoski: And even when they were younger.
Everdell: And Mr. Epstein had back problems and needed massages, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: He used 10,000 Waves Studio in Santa Fe, yes?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And when he met him, Epstein's girl friend was Eva Andersson-Dubin, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And Ms. Maxwell just worked for him?
Visoski: It seemed that way.
Everdell: Later, whatever personal relationship existed between Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell fizzled out, right?
Visoski: Yes, in the 2000s.
Everdell: And Epstein brought in others, like personal assistant Sarah Kellen, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: And later Ghislaine was in a relationship with Ted Waitt, CEO of Gateway Computers, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: She introduced you to Mr. Waitt's pilot, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: Good time for a break.
Judge Nathan: Done.
Story soon - & vlog II
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AUSA: Look at Government Exhibit 721. Do you recognize it?
Kane: An enrollment application for a student.
AUSA: Don't say the name. Is it an accurate copy?
Kane: Yes.
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection - hearsay!
AUSA: It's a business record.
Judge Nathan: Overruled.
Maxwell's lawyer: Can I question the witness?
Judge Nathan: Go ahead.
Maxwell's lawyer: The Professional Children's School doesn't verify the accuracy of the info on the form, does it?
Kane: I think they do.
Maxwell's lawyer: All of it?
Kane: That, I don't know.
OK - In US v. #GhislaineMaxwell, now final segment before end of Day 3, it's Victim Jane's ex-boyfriend "Matt," uses pseudonym. Inner City Press covered AM innercitypress.com/sdnytrial31max… & will live tweet, thread below
AUSA Moe: How do you know Jane?
Matt: She's my ex-girlfriend. From 2006 to 2014.
AUSA: Did you live together?
Matt: Yes. From 2007 to 2014.
AUSA: Are you still friends?
Matt: Yes. And we work on the same TV show.
AUSA: What did Jane tell you about her home life?
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection.
Judge Nathan: Any foundation?
Maxwell's lawyer: It's hearsay.
[Another non-public sidebar]
OK - In US v. #GhislaineMaxwell, now after lunch break, more cross-examination of Victim 1 "Jane," with Maxwell's lawyer insisting Jane has mis-remembered & is motivated by money. Inner City Press covered AM innercitypress.com/sdnytrial31max… & will live tweet, thread below
Menninger: So you went to a specialized entertainment school, right?
Menninger: And since then you've played roles like cancer patient?
Jane: Yes.
Menninger: Prostitute?
Jane: No.
Menninger: You can cry on command?
Menninger: You're accusations in this case include that you were 14 went you were abused, right?
Jane: Yes.
Menninger: But you first told the government you were 13, right?
Jane: I might have said 13 going on 14. It's a small technicality.
OK - In US v. #GhislaineMaxwell, now after 11 am break cross-examination of Victim 1 "Jane" is continuing, with Maxwell's lawyer claiming Jane has mis-remembered. Inner City Press covered the morning innercitypress.com/sdnytrial31max… and will live tweet, thread below
Maxwell's lawyer Menninger: You testified yesterday your first has sex with Epstein in his pool house in Florida. But you told the government it was in New York.
Jane: Those are not my notes. I did not write that down and it was not recorded.
Menninger: You told them you only remembered one incident in NY when Ghislaine was present.
Jane: I don't recall.
Menninger: Look at 3509-003. Hasn't your story changed?
Jane: I didn't understand the question.
Judge Nathan: If what the defense bring in is impeachment [of the Witness] material, it's not a Rule 16 issue.
AUSA Rohrbach: It should have been disclosed; it is about a collateral matter.
[Note: these are the lawyers' arguments before the jury comes in at 9:30]
AUSA: The witness couldn't even recognize the photo, & it wasn't impeachment of what she said on the stand.
Judge Nathan: What is the US' understanding of when the witness lived in the address in the [FBI] 302?
AUSA Alison Moe: At 14 she was living in a pool house
OK - now US v. #GhislaineMaxwell trial Day 2, afternoon. Epstein's pilot Visoski still on the stand. AUSA asks Judge to tell court arts not to sketch some witnesses. Inner City Press is reporting innercitypress.com/sdnytrial30max… & will live tweet - thread below
Judge Nathan: Mr. Everdell, you may continue with your cross examination of Mr Visoski. And Mr. Visoski, I remind you that you are under oath.
Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: People liked to go hiking on the Zorro Ranch, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: But since there were snakes, one needed boots, right?
Visoski: Yes, that would be preferred.
Everdell: And you never saw Ghislaine looking pregnant, did you?
Visoski: I never did.