@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh The experiments are very elegant, but I think the conclusions are overstretched. We have many superspreading events where we see shared-room airborne transmission (). And superspreading is very common (10% of infected --> 80-90% of new infected)
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh One issue is that they are not real respiratory aerosols but surrogates, and we know that the chemical composition of the droplets is very important (nytimes.com/interactive/20…).
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh Also this study suggests that infection should go down A LOT in dry periods. But e.g. we found in a study in Argentina (led by @apinedarojas and @KropffLab) that DRY periods were the ones that had the most infection.

pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/ac…
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh @apinedarojas @KropffLab So I would argue that while the technique is amazing and has huge promise, the implications for the real world are not consistent with the epi data.

Would be curious to hear what others think, such as @linseymarr @VirusesImmunity @dylanhmorris
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh @apinedarojas @KropffLab @linseymarr @VirusesImmunity @dylanhmorris Also if infection was dominantly in close proximity, contact tracing (which assumes that) would be successful a large majority of the time. But there are many many cases where the source of infection is not clear:

usatoday.com/story/news/hea…
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh @apinedarojas @KropffLab @linseymarr @VirusesImmunity @dylanhmorris Unfortunately, I suspect that some people who have ignored almost every aerosol and airborne publication so far, may start quoting this paper...
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh @apinedarojas @KropffLab @linseymarr @VirusesImmunity @dylanhmorris There is also a possible issue with electric charge. To keep the aerosols suspended in their experiment, they need to be strongly charged (a electrical force pulls against gravity to keep them in place). But virus is susceptible to moderate elec. field:

dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41467…
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh @apinedarojas @KropffLab @linseymarr @VirusesImmunity @dylanhmorris We've been discussing this electric field damage possibility today. The field in the trap is higher than the damage threshold in the Nature Comms. paper, so it is possible that some of the fast virus decay could be due to that.

Also field inside particle, stronger when dry Image
@JudeJack @trishgreenhalgh @apinedarojas @KropffLab @linseymarr @VirusesImmunity @dylanhmorris One other thought: even if preprint's results applied to the world (unclear at present), they are still compatible with superspreading (by shared room air doi.org/10.1021/acs.es…) driving much of the pandemic, as observed (nature.com/articles/d4158…):

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16 Jan
1/ El artículo CORTO MEJOR y MÁS CLARO que he leído sobre la transmisión por el aire de COVID-19:

- Por qué la historia llevo a la OMS a negarla
- Cómo protegernos

Traducción automática del artículo de @crackedscience

www-mcgill-ca.translate.goog/oss/article/co…
2/ "El 28-Mar-2020, al comienzo de la pandemia, la OMS @WHO tuiteó : “HECHO: #COVID19 NO se transmite por el aire”.

"Para los médicos y científicos biomédicos (incluyéndome a mí), esto tenía sentido. Se sabía que pocas enfermedades se transmitían por el aire."
3/ "Pero para los científicos de aerosoles, esto era a la vez desconcertante y exasperante."

"En siguientes 2 años, OMS y otras organiz. q inicialmente habían negado q el nuevo coronavirus pudiera permanecer en el aire y moverse como el humo cambiaron silenciosamente su postura"
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16 Jan
1/ Must read from Dr. Raina MacIntyre:

Key quotes:

"As for denial of the risk in children, the majority of vaccine-preventable diseases that we vaccinate children against are mild in most children. Only a small percentage suffer serious complications"

thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/… Image
2/ From @Globalbiosec:

"The denial of the airborne transmission was started by experts on @WHO IPC committee & allowed all countries to take the easy way out. If handwashing is all you need, onus can be shifted to “personal responsibility”... Image
3/ "... if ventilation needs to be fixed, that shifts responsibility to governments and private organisations."

"Denial of Omicron being serious suits exhausted community who wish life could go back to 2019. Omicron may be 1/2 as deadly as Delta, but D was 2x as deadly as 2020" Image
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14 Jan
1/ ¿Dónde y cómo es más probable contagiarse de covid-19?

Nuestro blog en @Conversation_E explicando el reciente artículo en @EnvSciTech, donde mostramos q el supercontagio se debe a aire compartido en interiores, "para todos los públicos"

theconversation.com/donde-y-como-e…
2/ Escrito por @trishgreenhalgh (Investigadora Médica en @UniofOxford y miembro de @theNAMedicine) con la q colaboramos para el artículo de @EnvSciTech, con contribuciones de @ShellyMBoulder, @ZheP_AtmChem, y un servidor.

Original English version here:

theconversation.com/heres-where-an…
3/ Si alguien quiere más detalles, leer el hilo q escribí explicando el artículo de @EnvSciTech:

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13 Jan
Fact Check: Does COVID-19 Lose 90 Percent Infectiousness in 20 Minutes?

"We should definitely be wary of any tabloid headlines using the paper to urge us back to the office prematurely"

A good summary

iflscience.com/health-and-med…

@IFLScience
2/ Short version:

- Lab preprint very interesting for scientists, doesn't make wild real-world claims

- Taken at face value, preprint results contradict lots of real-world epi data

- Nevertheless @Guardian did just that, as if lab preprint results were the truth in real world
3/ @Guardian article reprinted, exaggerated more elsewhere to say that airborne transmission doesn't matter

When we know that superspreading events are airborne & major importance (nature.com/articles/d4158…). 1 event (Wuhan wet market) gave us pandemic

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11 Jan
1H/ The new #COVIDHallofHumor

As many of your know we have started 2 ongoing threads of good and bad practices worldwide against COVID transmission

- #COVIDHallofShame:

- #COVIDBestPractices:
2H/ The good examples are much more fun to compile, but unfortunately there seem to be many more bad examples everywhere.

So inspired by tweet by @microlabdoc, I thought it may be good (at least for our mental health) to start a #COVIDHallofHumor

Pls submit by adding that tag
3H/ UK 🇬🇧: Here we see @microlabdoc demonstrating a new method to clean the air of viruses

Cheap and easy. Only need pins, a scarf, disinfectant wipes, and work that you really want to avoid for the next 30 min!



#COVIDHallofHumor
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9 Jan
@Teddybird @krishlex @YouTube @gideonlasco @DOHgovph @ntfcovid19ph @iamguidodavid @friaronwater @WHO Yes, after yelling at us when we met with them (@WHO and its IPC committee) on 3-Apr-2020, when we already had MORE evidence of airborne transmission than they did for large droplets or fomites. + ignoring us later

This article tells some of that story:

wired.com/story/the-teen…
@Teddybird @krishlex @YouTube @gideonlasco @DOHgovph @ntfcovid19ph @iamguidodavid @friaronwater @WHO But still a GREAT example that proves YOUR statement right: "You need be cautious with dogmatic statements be cause lives are lost when the science and interpretation of evidence is wrong"

It WAS a dogmatic statement, and lots of lives have been lost, bc @WHO's science was wrong
@Teddybird @krishlex @YouTube @gideonlasco @DOHgovph @ntfcovid19ph @iamguidodavid @friaronwater @WHO And to this day, that statement still has an impact, as people in the medical profession that have public health power, refuse to accept the evidence FULLY: 0 evidence for droplets or surfaces, overwhelming evidence for airborne (short & long range).

See:
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