Specifically, doesn’t an ‘end of war’ declaration imply that N Korea will stop its border provocations?

This is both an obvious and persuasive argument for the EoW.

So why aren’t proponents making it?

I’d bet many skeptics would oppose it much less if this were part of it.

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The reason they’re not making this obvious argument is also obvious, and illustrates why the whole EoW debate is pointless:

N Korea will not stop provoking SK or even consider surrendering that card - even though it’s the very logic of the declaration!

And even if NK said it

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would, no one serious would believe them.

NK can’t make credible commitments on any major issues anymore. Their long history of mendacity and provocation undercuts the whole point of something as grandiose as this EoW.

This is why I always argue to start small with NK. Go

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for limited, contained deals with clear benchmarks and sequencing (Keohane’s specific reciprocity) and then build out in future deals as previous ones are successfully completed (functionalism).

Stop shooting for these big-bang, Nixon-goes-to-China moments. They’re too hard

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to work out, all the moving parts create too much implementation complexity, and strategic trust to take big chances is too low.

If you keep insisting on a deck-clearing resolution to Korea on the order of the Camp David Accords, what you get in practice is big talk but no

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actual change. This is what happened to both Trump & Moon Jae-In.

They wildly over-promised, didn’t want to do the grunt work, & thought charisma & presidential will were enough to cut the gordian knot. It’s not, so after 5 years of outreach, they have nothing to show for it.

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SK left has policy ideas, like them or not. I’m not sure anyone knows what the right stands for besides a vaguely hawkish foreign policy
This is what I mean. Watch the S Korean right self-destruct for no good reason

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Who else prefers Leto to Paul Atreides?

Leto is a mediocre, basically good person struggling & failing w/ forces beyond him. He wants to rule consensually, feels a sense of duty to his liege, loves his family, & dies for these values. This makes him relatable and sympathetic.

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Paul starts as a brat (like Luke) and just gets worse. He is surrounded by religious fanatics and becomes one himself in fairly short order. He drinks the kool-aid that he is some kind of messianic semi-divine being, a mash-up of Jesus and Plato's philosopher-king, and then

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Good op-ed from @JRubinBlogger on why the Afghan withdrawal went about as well as can realistically be expected.

The evacuation was planned and moved out more people than expected despite early chaotic imagery.

Most Americans did get out, and the US

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There is no clean exit from a lost war with a brutal, mendacious counter-party like the Taliban. Obviously

The Trump Doha deal set the frame within which Biden operated, and had we violated it,

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GOP critics knew the deal was Trump's and supported it. So most of the Fox critics about 'leaving our people behind' were bad faith.

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THREAD: Why North Korea would Prefer Leaching Off South Korea to Absorbing It

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THREAD: Why there is No Korean Peace Treaty (It wouldn’t Change Anything)

Much of the linked thread is highly contestable:

A. Korea obviously is not a 'forever war'

This is a grossly inaccurate description. 'Forever war' implies sustained kinetic activity in an unwinnable

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quagmire with no obvious endpoint. That is not K at all. The war has been over since mid-1953, and it is NK, not the allies, who provokes. The lack of paperwork - a formal peace treaty - has no bearing on the empirical situation on the ground which is far from open conflict.

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B. A 'War-Ending Declaration' (종전선언) is a legally bizarre neologism which no one really understands

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