Thread by @TheUfoJoe

1 We've had the skeptic & debunker tell us they already know what the Bi-Mg sample (Art's Parts) is all about. Then we have LMH & true scientists like Puthoff & Nolan telling us they don't know yet.

@GarryPNolan (GN): "There's another material that's interesting and I have some

2 GN: "pieces of it. It's bismuth, magnesium layered. Clearly, it's industrial and it's layered in a way that is at a few nanometers per layer. Some people claim that it might be a waveguide, a metamaterial waveguide. That's not something, when this was found, that we had the

3 GN: "ability to make. So the open question is: Was it manufactured? Or, as some people have claimed, maybe it's just a byproduct of standard smelting and somebody found it [at] the bottom of a smelting pot. So I don't know. But I've looked at the material, it is layered in

4 GN: "an interesting way, and each of the layers is individually made of a different element. That doesn't sound like something you find in a smelting pot, right? No matter how well u tune your smelting. So again, I don't know what these things are but now that the [UFO] office

5 GN: " is funded, basically, I'm hoping to gain access to some of the other materials that are claimed to be owned within the government, to take a look at it. Now, interestingly, it's not just the U.S. government that has these things. There's actually some stories coming out

6 GN: "of China, that some of the Chinese aircraft carriers are seeing the same thing. There are stories coming out of Russia. There's a very good story...two stories out of both India and Iran, about things that have been seen. So, again, seen by the Air Forces of those

7 GN: "respective countries, so it's not America-centric. I know, France, for instance, has a very big program on the study of these things and it's a government-funded program. So, although everybody thinks that it's all about America, it's not. This is worldwide."

8 I'm about forty minutes through the transcript for this interview.

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9 GN: "So, pure speculation, let's say that this so-called metamaterial - the one with the layered bismuth magnesium stuff - let's say that it is somehow involved with the propulsion. Okay, well, if it's part of the skin of the craft, or it's some layer of the craft that involves

10 GN: "the propulsion, & we know that it has the characteristics of a metamaterial. In other words, it's these thinly-layered objects that you could pass a terahertz wave through, that would cause some change in the gravitational constant, or perhaps it creates a, I don't know,

11 GN: "some sort of electromagnetic field that is repulsive. Okay, well, maybe we can make that. We don't have to rely on the small piece of it, how would we make that? And if we made that, and then we tested it with various kinds of terahertz waves, or what have you, what would

12 GN: "it do? So, I mean, that's the beginning of reverse engineering. The other part of reverse engineering is just looking at the equations of what these things could, u know, using our current understanding of physics, changing some of the assumptions of Einstein's equations,

13 GN: "which is what these physicists have done. And say, "Okay, well, if we make these assumptions rather than those assumptions, okay, we can do this. How would we do it?" And again, this is what the people who are doing and creating some of these, or trying to create some of

14 GN: "these warp drives are doing right now. They're saying, 'Okay, how can we make it practical?' And the reason why I talk about it in this way is that in my laboratory work, we ask a question, and we say, first, 'What is inevitable? What is the kind of data that inevitably

15 GN: "I require to answer this question? Because the current approach to collecting data is insufficient.' So we say, 'This is the kind of data I want,' then we imagine a, let's say, a science-fiction level instrument, a perfect instrument that could do it, and we say, 'Okay,

16 GN: "'well, you can't make that perfect instrument.' And then we backtrack a few steps until we think about something practical that can accomplish this. And we've created multiple instruments and sold companies, that have started out in my lab, into many hundreds of millions

16 GN: "of dollars. And then it becomes useful. Because we start with the impossible, and then we think backwards and we reverse engineer until we make it practical. And this is, I think, what we're going to be able to do with some of these objects and capabilities. We'll

17 GN: "look at and say, 'We don't know how to do it today, but here's what maybe we could do that could accomplish something close.' And militaries do this all the time. When the stealth bomber was made in the United States, Russia didn't have one. So they looked at what we

18 GN: "could do, and they said, 'Okay, well, we're smart, we can figure this out. We can make it.' And they've made them. So you always look at what's possible, and once you know something's possible, it's actually almost inevitable that you will create it.

19 GN: "I mean, that's just the way humans are. I mean, that's just the power of desire, and the power of creativity that drives humans to the next step. It's kind of a, you know, being aware of what your neighbor can do, and you want to do it too."

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