"I don't think anybody really knows the complete, true picture. But I will say that I sort of agree with Colm Kelleher & the BAASS study. I think this was in the book, the new book on Skinwalker, where he said, something along the lines of, 'The UFO phenomenon
2 JS: "was a lot more than nuts and bolts machines that interact with military aircraft." And he basically said it's rather myopic of us to look at it just that way, because essentially, there's a psychic element which I think is even more important than the nuts and bolts side.
3 JS: "And there's a biological element to all this. And once you get into that, and you start looking at that, that's when it becomes very strange, high strangeness, and that's when it becomes very weird and frankly, very scary. When we started TTSA, this is one of the subjects
4 JS: "that we discussed. And I discussed this with Tom, Chris, Lue, Hal and Steve. And we all sat around and said, "This is something that we really want to push, we really want to bring this out." Because in the end, it's not about seeing aircraft, or some type of flying craft,
5 JS: "or whatever you want to call them. There's a lot more to it. You know, everybody who's had an experience, I would say most people who've had experience with UAPs, also have other experiences along with them. You mentioned the hitchhiker thing, the contagion that sometimes
6 JS: "happens. People who have had abduction experiences, this thing changes them for the rest of their lives. So, you know, there are so many different possibilities here. Is this interdimensional? Is this ultraterrestrial? Is this something completely out of space time, at
7 JS: "least of space time as WE know it, & it's interfering with us for one reason or another? I mean, Carl Jung, the psychoanalyst, basically said, "Well, UFOs are probably appearing because our collective unconscious is going through this psychic disequilibrium, because we're
8 JS: "worried about nuclear weapons & things along those lines." I don't think that's the case. But yeah, there are times I have to walk away from this, it's how scary this gets. And I think your point, you know, about, "Do you really want to know?" I question that all the time.
9 JS: "I mean, the truth...we decided at one point, you know, we have to go forward and this stuff is all over the place. You can't deny UFOs ARE real, it's very real, they exist and so does everything else associated with it exist. That's not even a point of intention anymore.
10 JS: "Now the question is: What the hell are they? What do they want? What are their intentions? What are their capabilities? We don't even know that, so."
Tweets 9 & 10 are the reason I don't pay much attention to debunkers (It's a misidentification! It's prosaic!) any more.
1 How come we had never heard about the needle being found near a mutilated cow until today on @TOEwithCurt with Knapp & Kelleher?
How can that be?
I see that question being asked.
From Kelleher's 2004 book. "Brain Trust."
18 years ago.
2 Kelleher: "In one of those very rare cases where the mutilators made a mistake, Captain Keith Wolverton of the police department in Great Falls, Montana, was able to recover the evidence. It occurred when a metallic glint caught his eye as he and a veterinarian turned the
3 Kelleher: "animal over during the necropsy of a mutilated cow in a pasture twenty miles from Great Falls. Lying directly underneath the carcass was a large-gauge needle. There was really no other reason for a large-gauge needle to be lying under a mutilated cow in a remote
disclosure - Gov't officials admit there are true unknowns in our air space. We have that, almost. Once they stop mentioning adversaries as a possibility, we'll be there. The general public, who does NOT want to deal w/this (fear), hear
Disclosure - High-ranking gov't official shows us craft, bodies, and shares all recent & historical UFO data, including clear evidence of non-human "occupants." I don't see that happening any time soon. Lue's 5-year guide seems about right but it
3 may take A LOT longer.
Phenomenon discloses itself - Some intelligence takes control and puts on a public display that ends the debate: We're not alone. This can be in the form of a craft (or multiple craft) hovering over a major city for several hours.
1 "The release of this information is driven strictly by the phenomenon itself."
~Dr. Eric Davis - 2019
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@alejandrotrojas (AR): "There are these ideas out there right now that this is part of some controlled disclosure, that this has all been planned. And if that was so, that
2 AR: "would mean that you were part of some bigger plan. I mean, is that something that you feel is credible at all? Do you see that? Or is this just kind of the fruits of your efforts, all of your efforts, to bring kind of the credibility to these more...what would be
3 AR: "considered fringe areas of science?"
Eric Davis (ED): "Well, it's 2 things. It's the cumulative effect of all of our efforts, decades of efforts of hard work. But the release of this information is driven strictly by the phenomenon itself. All of this nonsense about a
Lue: Never in my time, ever in this portfolio, have I ever seen this level of support going on in DC. It's unbelievable. It's Rs & Ds. Briefings are having an impact and also, our representatives are seeing that some folks are keeping info. from them.
2 People in Congress (@RepAndreCarson) are talking about potential hearings. There is one (Carson) publicly but Lue says there are others calling it for it behind the scenes. Last week, UAP events are still happening and getting reported. Lue suspects it will be reported.
3 Lots of people, like Avril Haines, are taking this seriously. @DepSecDef is getting up the speed. Some senior folks in @USArmy who are taking UFOs seriously. Things r happening fast. We've come so far, despite the haters. Drones from China! Psyop! Get out of ur mom's basement.
At the time of his retirement in 2007, he was part of the CIA's Senior Intelligence Service.
JS has been listening to C2C for quite a long time.
2 Are you in the CIA for life?
JS: That's close to the truth. They invest so much money into your training and you gain so much experience. To just drop off and leave? The agency likes to have older vets around to help the new folks coming in.
3 When he went back to the CIA for a bit, he decided NOT to go back with the clandestine service but with the science and technology directorate, countering biological weapons.
He can't talk about the training he underwent with the CIA bc it's classified.