whats a german chancellor gonna do say nooooooooooo you cant anschluss
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1495821089372786688
oh holy shit things bout to pop off fr
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832401305612297?t=W0IJcW9nGUri8uA_3J9nAg&s=19
ongoing thread of translation ht @nomadcharlie
cant vouch for anything but if correct translation uh buckle up
cant vouch for anything but if correct translation uh buckle up
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1495839125211074563?t=43nZVZFsqq1DGxrcMgulzQ&s=19
yeah ok so
1. donbass breakaway regions recognized
2. alliances being drawn up
easy to go to broader war just by continuing shelling of ukraine territory from breakaways right
ukraine either takes it indefinitely or fires back, triggers invasion
1. donbass breakaway regions recognized
2. alliances being drawn up
easy to go to broader war just by continuing shelling of ukraine territory from breakaways right
ukraine either takes it indefinitely or fires back, triggers invasion
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1495844913212276740?t=JCOqxxHCBFH4G2nf53KKeg&s=19
seems like good translation per mutual on the ground
https://twitter.com/pizdeckakpoebat/status/1495844774795960324?t=JCOqxxHCBFH4G2nf53KKeg&s=19
oh yeah ok well here we go then
https://twitter.com/AlexGodofsky/status/1495846735863767045?t=D6W1hGPw2RR561lGfOxdBQ&s=19
hows Europe coping with this
speculation
archive.fo/jhcGt
archive.fo/jhcGt
maybe goes without saying but everything in this thread should be tagged as "claims," "rumors," "hmmm"
things seem to be moving very quickly expect some to much of this is going to be simply wrong
things seem to be moving very quickly expect some to much of this is going to be simply wrong
also black humor aside for a moment im very sorry for the russian and ukrainian people who are getting dragged into this. praying for your people and your families.
ht 🔒 who mentioned katyn in his qt
thats a bleak idea
thats a bleak idea
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1495837418511032330?t=HonaUs_BCyZYrzUdO6wf_g&s=19
in case your not familiar with katyn
probably gonna get mentioned from time to time for the next week or two
reportedly still denied by russian gov ("but if it happened it was good actually")
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_mas…
probably gonna get mentioned from time to time for the next week or two
reportedly still denied by russian gov ("but if it happened it was good actually")
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_mas…
this seems mealy-mouthed
https://twitter.com/Financialjuice1/status/1495882052461338628?t=QZgVBD8AxmNULyhU7tXv7w&s=19
french left commentary
neither anywhere close to power
royal was a failed socialist presidential candidate, roussel i think a current communist candidate
weird, no idea what to make of this
ht @phl43
neither anywhere close to power
royal was a failed socialist presidential candidate, roussel i think a current communist candidate
weird, no idea what to make of this
ht @phl43
my completely off the cuff guess is "flailing while western and central EU governments abandon support for sanctions"
https://twitter.com/LudditeHacker/status/1495898886648512519?t=whV8dJA5NwZKy7lxib4Ztg&s=19
heh
hadnt expected they'd actually schedule it
hadnt expected they'd actually schedule it
https://twitter.com/michellenichols/status/1495895810814488576?t=CSppEOlKtrBT93TFaus9Aw&s=19
re US consistency
i think this looks really bad for us tbqh
i think this looks really bad for us tbqh
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1495896834404982790?t=ZY5bC_oYze8Qe2pL0S0stw&s=19
subthread (ongoing) from beloved @atroyn
https://twitter.com/atroyn/status/1495918964483969031?t=ZY5bC_oYze8Qe2pL0S0stw&s=19
makes me wonder how hard biden is even gonna be willing to go on sanctions in the end
https://twitter.com/SicTransitPHL/status/1495560945409609729?t=zC_iedvLE-6TF0xVX0aQPA&s=19
conclusion re putin speech
https://twitter.com/atroyn/status/1495926464969318401?t=TPD7pQrBvWn72VvjIRuQLQ&s=19
will note anything interesting
- our ambassador to the UN says "nucular" we're not sending our best
- she notes that russian claims as stated include poland, finland, baltics, etc etc
- framing our objections as preserving the UN which is pretty rich for the USU tbqh
- our ambassador to the UN says "nucular" we're not sending our best
- she notes that russian claims as stated include poland, finland, baltics, etc etc
- framing our objections as preserving the UN which is pretty rich for the USU tbqh
albania condemns russia
heh
heh
french rep condemns russia, attacks them for going back on minsk agreements specifically
his tie knot is loose. im disappointed i expect better of the french
france is "concerned," welcomes ukraine's "constraint" and expresses solidarity, denounces RU "peacekeeping"
his tie knot is loose. im disappointed i expect better of the french
france is "concerned," welcomes ukraine's "constraint" and expresses solidarity, denounces RU "peacekeeping"
more interesting now. india. "matter of deep concern." call for restraint "on all sides", legitimate security of "all countries" is important
"can only be resolved through diplomatic dialogue"
re-endorses minsk
classic unaligned india ig
"can only be resolved through diplomatic dialogue"
re-endorses minsk
classic unaligned india ig
brazil "following latest developments with great concern"
reiterates calls for immediate deescalation
emphasizes territorial integrity but then emphasizes "legitimate concerns" as being necessary
requests "military disengagement"
think this is just the neutral position rn
reiterates calls for immediate deescalation
emphasizes territorial integrity but then emphasizes "legitimate concerns" as being necessary
requests "military disengagement"
think this is just the neutral position rn
uk rep. "so-called DPR and LPR"
"so-called peacekeepers"
"consequences" of today:
- humanitarian impact awful
- territorial integrity of UN state violated
- international law "[mocked]"
uk announcing new sanctions on russia
"[everyone here should condemn russia]"
"so-called peacekeepers"
"consequences" of today:
- humanitarian impact awful
- territorial integrity of UN state violated
- international law "[mocked]"
uk announcing new sanctions on russia
"[everyone here should condemn russia]"
every time a country that invaded iraq talks about international norms i just cringe
mexico up
- principles of UN charter being violated
- donbas shellings unacceptable, urges "parties" to end these actions
- "[russia just said in this room they werent gonna invade, hope they hold to that]"
- principles of UN charter being violated
- donbas shellings unacceptable, urges "parties" to end these actions
- "[russia just said in this room they werent gonna invade, hope they hold to that]"
ireland (wonderful brogue luv)
- wed hoped to avoid this
- IE committed to UA territorial integrity. "unwavering"
- 2d time in 10y RU has flagrantly violated territory
- commends UA for restraint
- call again for diplomacy, deescalation
- retvrn to normandy talks
- wed hoped to avoid this
- IE committed to UA territorial integrity. "unwavering"
- 2d time in 10y RU has flagrantly violated territory
- commends UA for restraint
- call again for diplomacy, deescalation
- retvrn to normandy talks
UAE. who is she? she seems not arab? native english speaker? curious
- chart a diplomatic path
- importance of dialogue
- watch out for civilians, infrastructure
glhf ig
- chart a diplomatic path
- importance of dialogue
- watch out for civilians, infrastructure
glhf ig
kenya
missed most of this i was changing a diaper. too bad it sounded Fun
ends by condemning LPR, DPR and then condemns everyone else whos acted unilaterally
recognizes existing UA borders
missed most of this i was changing a diaper. too bad it sounded Fun
ends by condemning LPR, DPR and then condemns everyone else whos acted unilaterally
recognizes existing UA borders
ghana "deeply regrets" russia abandoning minsk
similar vibe to kenya
supports UA borders and does not support any actions that violate them, does not recognize LPR/DPR
demands restraint from "all parties"
takes this opportunity to condemn UNSC vetoes as anachronistic lol
similar vibe to kenya
supports UA borders and does not support any actions that violate them, does not recognize LPR/DPR
demands restraint from "all parties"
takes this opportunity to condemn UNSC vetoes as anachronistic lol
gabon
territorial integrity, internal sovereignty, calls on "all parties" to show restraint and deescalate
territorial integrity, internal sovereignty, calls on "all parties" to show restraint and deescalate
norway
INTENSE glasses
condemns LPR/DPR recognition by putin, drags him for abandoning minsk
international law etc etc
urges russia to change its ways and withdraw forces from both within and near UA
commend UA's posture, "unwavering" support for UA's integrity
INTENSE glasses
condemns LPR/DPR recognition by putin, drags him for abandoning minsk
international law etc etc
urges russia to change its ways and withdraw forces from both within and near UA
commend UA's posture, "unwavering" support for UA's integrity
china ok this will be more interesting
"**all parties** must exercise restraint" emphasis translator's
current situation result of "complex factors", china makes decisions on basis of specific merits of any case
incredibly brief statement. quite cagey
"**all parties** must exercise restraint" emphasis translator's
current situation result of "complex factors", china makes decisions on basis of specific merits of any case
incredibly brief statement. quite cagey
and russia
other statements "highly emotional"
won't answer "direct verbal assaults", focus on "how to avoid war" and "stop UA from shelling LPR/DPR"
ukraine not letting people in LPR/DPR remember war era efforts "against fascists"
UA is a "maidan regime", destroyed minsk
other statements "highly emotional"
won't answer "direct verbal assaults", focus on "how to avoid war" and "stop UA from shelling LPR/DPR"
ukraine not letting people in LPR/DPR remember war era efforts "against fascists"
UA is a "maidan regime", destroyed minsk
also "russia is not a party to minsk" and also ukraine is sabotaging them
"also minsk is not dead and kiev has to implement them" what
"we do not intend a bloodbath in donbas"
"western allies are egging ukraine on"
"its russia where refugees are flooding" oh ffs
"also minsk is not dead and kiev has to implement them" what
"we do not intend a bloodbath in donbas"
"western allies are egging ukraine on"
"its russia where refugees are flooding" oh ffs
"western colleagues no one but you can stop the militaristic plans of kiev which could have dangerous consequences"
"none of you colleagues found a place in your statement for the residents of donbas"
i keep trying to get a screencap of the ukraine rep reacting but no dice
"none of you colleagues found a place in your statement for the residents of donbas"
i keep trying to get a screencap of the ukraine rep reacting but no dice
ukraine rep
he started twitchy
"im taking my mask off with unease. not because of coronavirus but because of the virus spread by the kremlin"
he started twitchy
"im taking my mask off with unease. not because of coronavirus but because of the virus spread by the kremlin"
"recognition of LPR/DPR illegitimate, illegal"
running through a historical list of post-soviet land grabs, framing as a threat to the UN's legitimacy
"we're finding out who our friends are vs who just speaks"
"we choose diplomacy but we have a right to self-defense"
running through a historical list of post-soviet land grabs, framing as a threat to the UN's legitimacy
"we're finding out who our friends are vs who just speaks"
"we choose diplomacy but we have a right to self-defense"
"invite russian rep to read and reread finding this is a violation of UN charter, principles, etc"
calls on russia to abandon its attacks on territorial integrity, cancel recognition decision, return to table for negotiation
demanding lots of stuff that wont happen
calls on russia to abandon its attacks on territorial integrity, cancel recognition decision, return to table for negotiation
demanding lots of stuff that wont happen
"the UN is sick, infected by the virus of the kremlin. will it succumb? its up to you"
holding up 2008 statement from RU on Georgia with highlighted portions using identical language to that in todays UN statement
holding up 2008 statement from RU on Georgia with highlighted portions using identical language to that in todays UN statement
"as council president i am obliged to thank you for your statement"
germany
condemns russia in strongest possible terms, mentions "serious consequences"
recent actions pretext for russian aggression
demands russia remove troops and reengage
will stand by ukraines territorial integrity
stronger statement than id expected tbh
condemns russia in strongest possible terms, mentions "serious consequences"
recent actions pretext for russian aggression
demands russia remove troops and reengage
will stand by ukraines territorial integrity
stronger statement than id expected tbh
meeting adjourned
no one is talking to russia
ukraine going around fist-bumping everyone
no one is talking to russia
ukraine going around fist-bumping everyone
does any of this matter? i have no idea but it is interesting watching all of these countries putting public statements out
i think the potential value is getting people on the public record but also yes it seems unlikely that anything is likely to be actually enacted by the security council for obvious reasons
https://twitter.com/DarkDisciplis/status/1495965452366974977
wonder if they could get away with it
it does seem like equilibrium in a world with uncertain alliances is "everyone who can, lowkey gets nukes"
it does seem like equilibrium in a world with uncertain alliances is "everyone who can, lowkey gets nukes"
https://twitter.com/IVMiles/status/1495897295954624515?t=-B1nPlw3ii2_brTMvWSyhQ&s=19
anyway this thread is way too long, thanks for coming, im gonna get some groceries and submit some PRs
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