Thread by @MSS3RosaFerreum

@SocialWorkerLSW @threadreaderapp @Oneiorosgrip Citation?

@SocialWorkerLSW, you just repeated your prior claim regarding the pay gap without producing any supportive evidence to back up your claim after your claim has been refuted with evidence from left-leaning, centrist, and governmental sources.

@SocialWorkerLSW @threadreaderapp @Oneiorosgrip "Women are also the ones caring for the children & elderly parents on top of all the unpaid house work. I don't see that in your stats" (archive.ph/sIoKo). Those figures are here:

https://twitter.com/MSS3RosaFerreum/status/1318568039369957377

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https://twitter.com/MSS3RosaFerreum/status/1318568964721569797

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For someone with a professional degree, @SocialWorkerLSW, you are awful terrible at reading comprehension. You also seem to not have figured out how to make a thread on Twitter. Are you sure you have a high school diploma? You're providing pretty convincing evidence to doubt it.

@SocialWorkerLSW You claim that in a 40-year career, women make about $400,000 less than men (archive.ph/KiOAH). As noted herein(

https://twitter.com/MSS3RosaFerreum/status/1318573144483844096

), over that same 40-year period, per the @BLS_gov, men would work over 353 days more than the women on average (bls.gov/news.release/a…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov To back up your statement, @SocialWorkerLSW, you cite Joe Biden's campaign website (joebiden.com/womens-agenda/). As some purportedly college-educated, you shouldn't be getting your information from campaign websites. That is propaganda and you should know better.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov The Joe Biden campaign site references a report from The National Women’s Law Center (nwlc-ciw49tixgw5lbab.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/upl…) which isn't a primary source. @SocialWorkerLSW, you seem to have an issue citing proper academic sources to support your claim. Did you not learn this in high school?

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov The @nwlc writes "[a] 20-year old woman just starting full time, year round work stands to lose $407,760 over a 40-year career
compared to her male counterpart" (nwlc-ciw49tixgw5lbab.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/upl…, p. 1), but fails to address the #GenderedLaborGap established by the @BLS_gov in its report.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc As noted previously herein (

https://twitter.com/MSS3RosaFerreum/status/1318572467892318208

), "once we control only for one variable—hours worked—and compare men and women both working 40-hours per week in 2017, more than one-third of the raw 18.2% pay gap reported by the BLS disappears" (fee.org/articles/a-new…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc It is also worth noting that per the @IPPR, the pay gap "doesn’t take into account any of the drivers of different pay levels, such as age, qualifications, experience or seniority, or type of work" (ippr.org/files/2018-05/…, p. 6).

I cited this above (

https://twitter.com/MSS3RosaFerreum/status/1318574070418477056

).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR You then claim that "[w]omen hold only 32% of the wealth men have accumulated" (archive.ph/iPHPY) and, again, support it by citing the Joe Biden campaign site (joebiden.com/womens-agenda/), which cites
Closing the Women’s Wealth Gap (womenswealthgap.org).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR Closing the Women’s Wealth Gap (womenswealthgap.org) doesn't seem to cite any primary source or data supporting the 32% figure. The Joe Biden site (joebiden.com/womens-agenda/) doesn't provide other support for it. You might want to find an empirical basis for the 32% figure.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR I agree that "[w]omen in the workforce, on average, earn less than men do" (archive.ph/iPHPY), but the @BLS_gov data suggests women work less than men (even when paid and unpaid domestic work are considered) as the @pewresearch report indicated (pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch Supporting your statement that "[w]omen in the workforce, on average, earn less than men do" (archive.ph/iPHPY), here are some sources:
►ssa.gov/policy/docs/re…
►cnbc.com/2019/07/26/how…
►payscale.com/data/peak-earn…

Over a lifetime, Men also get more for more education.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch That said, as noted above, “unmarried, childless women under 30 who live in cities” already out-earn men pursuant to @TIME Magazine (content.time.com/time/business/…), @usnews & World Report (usnews.com/debate-club/sh…), and @PolitiFact's @PunditFact (politifact.com/punditfact/sta…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "What’s especially interesting is that women working 35-39 hours per week [in 2017] earned 107% of men’s earnings for those weekly hours, i.e., there was a 7% gender earnings gap in favor of female workers for that cohort" (fee.org/articles/a-new…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact I think it is fair to say that women need to close that #GenderedLaborGap if women want to close the pay gap.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

You haven't presented contrary evidence, @SocialWorkerLSW.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact You state that "[o]nly 56% of women ages 18-34 are able to save, compared to 70% of men. And women … hold two-thirds of the nation’s student debt, both exacerbating and resulting from racial and gender wealth gaps" (archive.ph/KZy8H). I agree (aauw.org/resources/rese…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact The reason why women are deeper into student loan debt than men has to do with more women attending higher education than men and working less than men.

Maybe women should work more and fewer should attend university?

Charts:
► cnsnews.com/news/article/t…
►aei.org/carpe-diem/wom…

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact Remember, "[s]ince the 1980s, women have made up the majority of those seeking bachelor’s degrees. By 1999, women received 57% of bachelor’s degrees, and it has been that way more or less for almost two decades" (wsj.com/articles/histo…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact You next complain that women are the primary breadwinner for their families (

https://twitter.com/SocialWorkerLSW/status/1318704750339252231

). I already brought up some of the data that shows that the reason why women are the primary breadwinners is they choose to be (by divorcing their husbands and not for abuse).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact Consider that women initiate over 50% of the breakups and nearly 70% of the divorces (web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rose…, fig. 1, p. 34).

"[W]omen-led households made up a little more than 26% of all households in 1980. By 2018, that number grew to 30.5%" (wsj.com/articles/histo…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "[A]mong heterosexual couples, earnings between partners became more unequal as the couples transitioned from cohabitation to marriage" (web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rose…, p. 5).

"[W]ives’ high earnings were negatively associated with marital quality" (web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rose…, p. 19).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "[T]he data suggest that married women may sometimes stay out of the labor force so as to avoid a situation where they would become the primary breadwinner" (nber.org/papers/w19023.…, p. 20).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "[W]hen the wife earns more than the husband, the likelihood of divorce increases by about 6[%]… [and s]ince 12[%] of couples in the sample get divorced, this … implies that having the wife earn more than the husband increases the likelihood of divorce by 50[%]" (supra, p. 25).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact As cited in this part of my thread hereinabove (

https://twitter.com/MSS3RosaFerreum/status/1318575445583876103

), studies suggest that heterosexual women divorce when their husband's earnings do not meet the women's financial expectations and have nothing to do with the reasons you referenced (archive.ph/dqn2G).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact None of your sources, @SocialWorkerLSW, seem to support your claim that "compacting apples to apples, same job, same experience, same education-men will be paid more AND more likely to get the job in the first place" with objective data (archive.ph/dADjp).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact You claim that men do not face rape (archive.ph/dqn2G), but I have already presented evidence that men face rape in roughly equal annual numbers as women (and only women seem to lie about being raped corrupting women's rape figures) hereinabove (

https://twitter.com/MSS3RosaFerreum/status/1318577941912055810

).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact You claim that women are uniquely hindered by domestic violence (archive.ph/L5Cot), but that's obviously false. However, I'll present the data even though I have doubts about your ability to comprehend it.

Seriously, weren't you paying attention to #JusticeForJohnnyDepp?

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact Consider "Intimate terrorism by women towards men: does it exist?" by Denise A. Hines and Emily M. Douglas published in July 2010 in Volume 2, Issue 3, of the _Journal of Aggression, Conflict and Peace Research_ (available at www2.clarku.edu/faculty/dhines…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "Research showing that women commit high rates of intimate partner violence … against men has been controversial because [intimate partner violence] is typically framed as caused by the patriarchal construction of society and men’s domination over women" (Supra, p. 36).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "The results of this study indicate that the adherence to the theory that patriarchy is the foundation of [intimate terrorism] in Western, developed nations deserves reconsideration."

2 Journal of Aggression, Conflict and Peace Research 54 (2010).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact The "study shows the existence of male victims of female-perpetrated [intimate terrorism]. These men sustained very high rates and frequencies of psychological, sexual, and physical [intimate partner violence], injuries, and controlling behaviours" (Supra, p. 54).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact Note "Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence" by Daniel J. Whitaker, Ph.D.; Tadesse Haileyesus, M.S.; Monica Swahn, Ph.D.; and Linda S. Saltzman, Ph.D. (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence" was published in May 2007 in Volume 97, Issue 5, of the _American Journal of Public Health_ (available at ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact This study "sought to examine the prevalence of reciprocal (i.e., perpetrated by both partners) and nonreciprocal intimate partner violence and to determine whether reciprocity is related to violence frequency and injury."

97 Am. J. Public Health 941 (2007).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact This study found "that among relationships with nonreciprocal violence, women were the perpetrators in a majority of cases, regardless of participant gender… [and] …both men and women reported a larger proportion of nonreciprocal violence perpetrated by women…" (Supra, 944).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact This study also found "relationships with reciprocal violence resulted in more frequent violence (by women only) and a greater likelihood of injury caused by both male and female perpetrators."

97 Am. J. Public Health 945 (2007).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact Consider "Rates of Intimate Partner Violence in the United States" by John Schafer, Ph.D.; Raul Caetano, M.D., Ph.D.; and Catherine L. Clark, Ph.D., published in November 1998 in Volume 88, Issue 11, of the _American Journal of Public Health_ (link: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact The study found "5.21% [as the lower bound] and 13.61% [as the upper bound] for male-to-female partner violence, 6.22% and 18.2 1% for female-to-male partner violence, and 7.84% and 21.48% for any partner-to-partner violence."

88 Am. J. Public Health 1703–1704 (2007).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "Lower-bound estimates were calculated by counting only those violent behaviors that both partners reported or agreed on. Upper-bound estimates were formed by counting violent occurrences that either partner reported, whether corroborated or not" (supra, pp. 1703–1704).

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact For reasons unknown to me, you make the argument that women are uniquely hindered by mental health stress disorders (archive.ph/dqn2G). @SocialWorkerLSW, it sounds like you are claiming being female is a mental disability since only women are so uniquely hindered.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact You, @SocialWorkerLSW, claim that "[t]he original issue was male privilege- that just by being male one has preference" (archive.ph/xF97Q), but there is no evidence you have presented that male privilege exists. I've presented lots of evidence that female privilege exists.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "Numbers don't tell the COMPLETE story" (archive.ph/xF97Q). You start with quantitative data to make sure that a thing exists and then you move on to qualitative data to flesh out what the numbers cannot. @SocialWorkerLSW, you seem to have gotten this backward.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact "Why can't u validate? More male dismissiveness?" you say, @SocialWorkerLSW (archive.ph/xF97Q)?

I cannot validate what is not evidenced to exist.

Every educated person should dismiss that which has not been demonstrated to exist by competent evidence.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact You claim "[v]arious national studies were used," @SocialWorkerLSW (archive.ph/dADjp), but apart from what I have already addressed hereinabove, I found no studies linked. Care to share the citations of these purported studies? You yourself cited campaign propaganda only!

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact For those following along, here is what I was responding to:

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact For those following along, here is the rest of what I was responding to:

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact You ask whether or not I had to deal with abuse from which I had to escape, @SocialWorkerLSW, and the answer is yes. I've been quite successful despite it all and have had the resources to support many others. You really don't want to compare others to me. It isn't fair for them.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact @threadreaderapp, please unroll.

@SocialWorkerLSW @BLS_gov @nwlc @IPPR @pewresearch @TIME @usnews @PolitiFact @PunditFact @threader_app, please compile.