At one point during the talk, Neeraj showed an example when he deliberately asked a dumb question from the management of a company he was working on. Immediately I could relate this to Detective Columbo. See this: quora.com/How-has-the-Co…
The technique, according to Neeraj works and I can totally understand why. You really have to see a few episodes of Columbo to see how it works! g.co/kgs/fkUDnF
Another point that Neeraj made was about the importance of keeping a mind unbiased when one is starting to study a business. Isn't that the hallmark of all good detectives? I think so. Should it not be good practice for all investors?
In his wonderful book on Sherlock Holmes (amazon.in/Few-Lessons-Sh…), Peter Bevelin reproduces extracts from various writings on the detective. Here are some excerpts:
We approached the case...with an absolutely blank mind, which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were there simply to observe and to draw inferences from our observations. (Holmes; The Cardboard Box)
|I have not all my facts yet, but I do not think there are any insuperable difficulties. Still, it is an error to argue in front of your data. You find yourself insensibly twisting them round to fit your theories. (Holmes; Wisteria Lodge)
It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Holmes; A Scandal in Bohemia)
So, it's hugely important to not jump to premature conclusions whether you are a detective or an investor. But what happens when you find some evidence that tells you something?
You form a theory - a hypothesis. But make sure it's a provisional one. And maybe you have a competing theory. You hold both theories in your head and continue to work in a detached manner - collecting data, thinking about it, challenging your theories.
And after a while, maybe one of your theories will fall flat because it cannot be sustained in light of the evidence. And maybe another theory will take its place. You have to allow that to happen.
"You have a theory? "
"Yes, a provisional one." (Holmes; The Yellow Face)
One forms provisional theories and waits for time or fuller knowledge to explore them. (Holmes; The Sussex Vampire)
Well, we can adopt it as a working hypothesis and then see how far our difficulties disappear. (Holmes; The Valley of Fear)
So there is a time to have no theory. That's when you start. Then after you collect some evidence, there must be a theory. Or a few theories.
So exactly when to form a provisional theory and move from a "blank slate" of mind to some working hypothesis is something that good detectives (and investors) know. They just know.
Actually what they know is when not to form premature theories.
The temptation to form premature theories upon insufficient data is the bane of our profession. (Holmes; The Valley of Fear)
I wrote the above tweets because @nrmangal's class reminded me of the parallels between his thinking style and that of Holmes...
My apologies! In my tweets I should have written Nitin. Not Neeraj. - Absent-minded Prof 😩
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One student in my Forensic Accounting course wrote about manipulation in many large companies and how it pushes the retail investor into the corner. My (slightly edited) response:
All investing carries risk. Equity investing is no different. But look at the world around you. If you really want to compound your capital and beat inflation and make some real money, you have to invest in equities - which includes owning 100% of your own business by the way.
Yes, you will lose money because of misgovernance. But that does not mean that everyone is a crook. So you have to find ways to avoid getting stuck in businesses with governance issues. And even if you exercise all caution, you will still not be immune.
One answer is that company engages in hedging by using derivatives as a legitimate business decision and claims the hedging cost as a tax-deductible expense.
I don’t think losses if any resulting from speculative trades using derivatives will be allowed as a tax-deductible expense.
Very valid points made by you. In the class, the example is a bit more elaborate. For example, I include "hafta" as a necessary expense. Now let me try to address your concerns.
In the original example the street vendor has fixed assets of 10k, inventory of 1k, margin over cost of 100%, and one day's revenue Rs 2k. Depreciation Rs 50. And Profit was Rs 950. Annual profit assuming 300 days of work was Rs 2.85 lacs. and the ROCE is an astonishing 2,590%
You said I did not count the salary of the person. Fair enough. So let's fix it. Let's retire the sole proprietor and replace him with an employee who will run the business for him for a salary. Today, you can hire security guards for INR 10k a month, and they have night duties.
One, there was pent up demand in Q2 because of shutdown in Q1. So earnings which would have occurred in Q1 moved to Q2. This is temporary.
Two, many costs were not incurred in Q2 or the money spent on them was much lower than what was spent in Q2 of the previous year. For example, travel and advertising and rents etc. Some of these cost savings may endure. Others won’t.
Power doesn’t always corrupt, and you can see it in the case of, for example, Al Smith or Sam Rayburn. There, power cleanses.
But what power always does is reveal, because when you’re climbing, you have to conceal from people what it is you’re really willing to do, what it is you want to do.
But once you get enough power, once you’re there, where you wanted to be all along, then you can see what the protagonist wanted to do all along, because now he’s doing it.
We know the total capex. We can get it from the fixed asset schedule in the balance sheet. We can also get it from the cash flow statement as net investment in fixed assets.
We should do this over a BLOCK of years and not just one year because one-year data has noise. Also, why should the time taken by a planet to circle the sun synchronize precisely for time taken for business actions to pay off? (Buffett)