Ppl worry transmission could occur at Ct > 30 and thus missed by Ag test
Transmissibility is NOT BINARY
Possible at 34? Yes
Likely? No.
This graph helps place Cts in context!
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(If do not see the full graph above - please click on it)
Easy to forget Ct values are LOG scale
They place as much emphasis on an increase of 1000 viral particles as they do an increase of 1,000,000,000!!
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But when we change from a Ct scale to a scale that shows the number of viruses withouth "zooming in" on the low end, we see just how stark a different 20-25 is versus 30-35.
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Nearly all of the concern about rapid antigen test sensitivity is about Cts 30-35.
But why? For no great reason except that that that is where viral culture / transmissibility turns neg.
But It is SO much more important to ensure you're catching the Ct 15-28, than the 32
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We say "well, it IS possible to get a culturable sample at 32"...
Perhaps so!! But like transmissibility, culturability is on a HUGE continuum. Just because it's culturable and potentially transmissible doesn't mean it's very likely to transmit.
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Look at bottom graph in the first tweet
I prefer a super available test that always catches ppl w Ct <28 any day... over a barely available test w 3 day delay in results but that can catch to Ct 38
We shouldn't have even started looking for Cts of 32-40 for a virus like this.
Also - Thank you @jameshay218 for writing the script for me to make the plots :)
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The vaccine is not necessarily a more trusted source of immunity. Both an infection AND a vaccine are likely to induce good immune responses. All of the information we have suggests that immunity to infection for this virus is... well... as expected
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@DrEricDing@VirusesImmunity@PeterHotez However, to the questioners point, we are hoping the vaccines will induce potent and long lasting immunity. The vaccines are designed specifically to direct our immune response to look in the right spot - vs searching all over the virus...
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@DrEricDing@VirusesImmunity@PeterHotez The leading vaccines are all designed to induce, primarily, an antibody response that specifically blocks virus entry. To do this, they display a piece of the spike protein - the key to unlock entry into the cell.
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Right... lets keep focusing on PCR lab based medical testing for a public health war
A public health test with a:
-24 hour delay is just OK
-48 hour delay really losing its use
-72 hour delay almost irrelevant for transmission
-96 hour delay - waste
68,671 cases
Pop: 885,000
HIGH test +ve %; i.e. not nearly enough testing
I'd be surprised if catching >1 in 5 cases
If so, does 68,671 => 343,000 cases?
And if so... 39% infected...is SD nearing Herd Immunity?
Should serosurvey much of SD to understand if so.
Note: It's tough to know what the true detection rate is. Is it 1 in 2, 1 in 5, 1 in 8 detected?
We don't know for sure.
Either way... SD has a LOT of it's pop infected.
Since it's one of highest per capita states, will be imprtnt to monitor this state
And no - I am NOT suggesting herd immunity as an option. I'm simply stating the numbers up there and suggesting that we monitor to better understand what has and what will happen.