To understand if medical #abortion — aka chemical, at-home, self-managed abortions — are reversible, we need to know how they work; to know how medical abortion works, we need to understand a bit about how #pregnancy works.
Citations at the end of the thread! All but 2 are free full access, all but 2 are journal articles (& 1 of those 2 is a textbook).
Progesterone (prog) is known as the “pregnancy hormone.” Until ~10 weeks post-fertilization, prog is produced by the woman’s corpus luteum...
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...(located in her ovary, a mass of cells formed after a follicle popped out an egg). After 10 weeks, the placenta (a shared/feto-maternal organ) actually takes over the production of prog.
Prog does a LOT for pregnancy.
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Probably the most common thing prog is known for is maintaining the uterine lining.
A drop in prog precedes menstruation, for example, and low prog can inhibit an embryo from ever implanting. The surface cells of the uterus have prog receptors (PRs).
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When prog is produced and binds to PRcs, this triggers the endometrium of the uterus to do It’s Thing and prepare for implantation and maintenance of the growth of the embryo/fetus.
A lesser-known but v. important role of prog is modulating the immune response of the mother!
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One way of doing this is for prog to bind to PRs on certain white blood cells. Once prog binds to PRs, the molecules can travel to the nucleus of the cell and interact with the DNA to modulate gene expression. This activity signals the immune system to produce less of...
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...certain cytokines (an assortment of different molecules associated with the immune system which affect cells). These types of cytokines could signal an immune response to the embryo/fetus; but the same process at the same time tells the cell to produce more of another...
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type of cytokine which won't do that crap, plus produce a specific protein which *also* helps regulate immune response of mom's body.
This is an overly simple explanation of 1 part of a very intricate dance at the cellular level between the embryo/fetus and mother’s bodies.
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Prog supplementation has been used for decades as a normal part of artificial reproductive technology to improve the chances of embryo implantation and continued gestation, with clearly beneficial results. It has also been used to treat women at risk .for preterm birth and...
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...those who have a history of miscarriage, with neutral or decidedly beneficial results based on the study considered.
Now here’s how a chemical abortion works: RU-486 — aka mifepristone, Mifeprex, Korlym — ALSO binds to PRs!
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Ru-486 is a chemical look-alike to prog (see the two drugbank citations at the end to look at the structures). So it tricks PRs, binds to them, BUT then the PRs can’t carry out their normal functions.
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So the PRs in the endometrium are no longer being signaled to maintain that uterine lining, and the mother’s immune response to the baby is no longer being modulated. The uterine lining will start to break down, which is what eventually kills the embryo or fetus via...
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...lack of oxygen and/or nutrients, which can’t be passed from mother to child when the mother and child are no longer connected.
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RU-486 has some other modes of action, like making the uterus sensitive to contraction-inducing prostaglandins (like mifepristone, the second part of a medical abortion).
BUT here’s the kicker:
RU-486 is a COMPETITIVE inhibitor of progesterone!
What does this mean?
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If you took an undergrad biochem class recently, you might remember learning about competitive, non-competitive, and uncompetitive inhibitors and binding affinities of inhibitors vs the intended/natural binding molecule. If you haven’t taken one recently:
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A competitive inhibitor binds to the same binding site on a receptor as the intended molecule & inhibits the action of the receptor when it does so.
The great thing about competitive inhibitors is that they can be OUT-competed by introducing more of the intended molecule.
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(this is how many drug treatments like penicillin work, for example)
I.e, if you flood PRs with enough prog, prog will outcompete RU-486 and take over binding to the PRs again — which re-starts or maintains what the body was already doing under prog’s influence originally.
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The relative binding affinity (comparatively, how well one molecule binds to a receptor compared to another molecule) of RU-886 and prog is pretty close in biochem terms, with RU-486 being about twice as good at binding to the PR than prog.
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This means it would be quite reasonable to expect to be able to introduce more progesterone in a sufficient amount to outcompete the available RU-486.
The chance of completing a healthy pregnancy is about 2-3 times as likely when administered progesterone after taking RU-486 (48-68% chance) than the upper bound of just not taking anything at all after ingesting RU-486 (25% chance or lower).
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The chance for reversal increases the quicker progesterone is started after taking RU-486 and the later in pregnancy a woman is.
1. Abortion kills a human. It is not safe for those humans. Abortion can harm or kill women, and on consent forms for abortion, it states after 18 weeks, abortion becomes riskier than carrying to term.
In actual fact, that 14x stat is actual trash.
(sources below)
2. You're going to be disingenuous and pretend you haven't heard of c-sections? Ok. That will make me take you seriously.
Yet you don't deny later abortion DO take >24 hours. Interesting. 🧐 3. Save you from what? Killing a viable baby....?
Of note, the proposition would NOT prevent abortion past 22 weeks in the case to save a mom's life if a doctor determines that is needed. It also will not prevent removal of a dead fetus or prevent treatment for ectopic pregnancy.
I finally listened to the whole of this debate between 2 libertarians on the issue of abortion, specifically on the view of evictionism. It's long, but worth the listen, even if just to add to your own understanding of how/what people think. My thoughts:
1. I think there's one aspect of the pro-life viewpoint they don't accurately portray, which is that we require women to carry to term. However, they clarify at different points this is the "traditional/conservative" pro-life viewpoint. So maybe I'm just not that pro-lifer. 😅
1. cont'd. I have always thought the viewpoint was essentially, Don't kill. Early delivery past viability - why not? Why require a woman to carry to full term?
I do lean toward "evicting" being a morally ok option once a fetus is old enough to survive outside the uterus.
Pro-lifers often say something like, "It is never medically necessary to do an abortion to save a woman's life."
Pro-choicers often say something like, "Sometimes abortions are medically necessary to save a woman's life."
Who is right?
Well, how are you defining "abortion"?
Many times, people are talking *past* each other, using different definitions of the same word. This can cause pro-lifers to lose credibility with pro-choicers.
Ask clarification questions. Make sure you understand what they are saying. Define/clarify what you mean.
#pregnancyhelpline
When a woman has an abortion then has unprotected PIV sex 2 days later & wants to know if it's possible she could get pregnant, that indicates parents and society are doing their children a great disservice by not educating them about fertility & pregnancy.
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Unfortunately, working at a pregnancy helpline means I see the worst sides of issues at hand, like pregnancy, abortion, BC, EC, STIs, etc.
I can tell you abortion is done as birth control sometimes. I can tell you not every women gave informed consent for her abortion.
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I can tell you parents are not discussing sex or sexual relationships with their kids and whatever sex ed is being taught in schools (or however it is being taught) is not being listened to by students.
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This is a book review and another look at what the term "pro-life" means, particularly in relation to the ideas of whole-life, pro-abundant life, consistent life ethic, etc.
Does the term pro-life *need* to be expanded to include other issues besides abortion?
IMO (I am not the author of the article), the term "pro-life" doesn't need to be expanded, but there IS room for discussion on why certain terms are used to denote certain ideas and movements and beliefs, and what their relationship is to each other, instead of arguing about
whether someone is really pro-life or not before you've even defined what you mean by that.
Personally, I see the term "pro-life" (PL) as a little umbrella, covering abortion and closely related issues like ESC research and IVF embryo disposal, as well as maybe euthanasia.
Had a lady call me the other day who did see a doctor, and was STILL given the meds when she was past 10 weeks (70 days) since LMP.
She wanted to try the reversal bc she didn't take the 2nd set of meds & the next day, she got an u/s done and the baby's heart was still beating.
After about week 8, it starts getting iffy that the mifeprex/mifepristone/RU-486 will effectively block progesterone enough to kill the baby, bc the placenta is starting to take over producing the progesterone needed to sustain pregnancy by then.
REMS are important.
For pro-choice people especially, think of this:
Woman in above scenario did NOT want to reverse. She wanted to abort. What if her abortion failed? Second round of meds, second round of payment. Or possibly surgery, and of course paying for that. And guess what? She'd have to