1/C
One my pet peeves is tone trolling, which is:
emphasizing the *tone* of a discussion on X, to avoid addressing the *substance/evidence/facts* on X.
This thread will cover an instance of tone trolling from @VPrasadMDMPH.
One my pet peeves is tone trolling, which is:
emphasizing the *tone* of a discussion on X, to avoid addressing the *substance/evidence/facts* on X.
This thread will cover an instance of tone trolling from @VPrasadMDMPH.
https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1373848967440527363
https://twitter.com/AtomsksSanakan/status/1280732303761854464
2/C
In the above tweet, Prasad uses tone trolling to defend John Ioannidis. Since at least March 2020, + continuing to now, Ioannidis made obviously incorrect claims that downplayed the risk of COVID-19.
web.archive.org/web/2020121700…
In the above tweet, Prasad uses tone trolling to defend John Ioannidis. Since at least March 2020, + continuing to now, Ioannidis made obviously incorrect claims that downplayed the risk of COVID-19.
https://twitter.com/AtomsksSanakan/status/1341187557326004225
https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1316511734115385344
web.archive.org/web/2020121700…
3/C
Example: Ioannidis so under-estimated the proportion of people infected people who die of COVID-19 (i.e. the infection fatality rate, or "IFR"), that he needs more people to be infected than actually exist.
That's impossible
Example: Ioannidis so under-estimated the proportion of people infected people who die of COVID-19 (i.e. the infection fatality rate, or "IFR"), that he needs more people to be infected than actually exist.
That's impossible
https://twitter.com/AtomsksSanakan/status/1363983344384569349
https://twitter.com/AtomsksSanakan/status/1369430446271037449
4/C
To my knowledge, Prasad never acknowledged how off-base Ioannidis' claims were + continued to be. Prasad instead tone trolls in response to "Carl" (@CT_Bergstrom), + says he disagrees with some of Ioannidis' points.
Many people saw thru that:
To my knowledge, Prasad never acknowledged how off-base Ioannidis' claims were + continued to be. Prasad instead tone trolls in response to "Carl" (@CT_Bergstrom), + says he disagrees with some of Ioannidis' points.
Many people saw thru that:
https://twitter.com/ClimateOfGavin/status/1259267627471507456
5/C
But what's telling is that in the middle of 2020 lockdowns during the COVID-19 pandemic, Prasad defended the same sort of impossible claims Ioannidis made.
In fact, Prasad gave COVID-19 fatality rates that are impossibly low
But what's telling is that in the middle of 2020 lockdowns during the COVID-19 pandemic, Prasad defended the same sort of impossible claims Ioannidis made.
In fact, Prasad gave COVID-19 fatality rates that are impossibly low
https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1262427578477842434
https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1262429167900979205
6/C
For example, assume Prasad does not claim that:
1) IFR increased beyond what he + Ioannidis showed,
2) COVID-19 deaths are so over-estimated that he descends into COVID-19 denialism.
Then here are some of the infection rates he's going to need to match his IFRs from 5/C:
For example, assume Prasad does not claim that:
1) IFR increased beyond what he + Ioannidis showed,
2) COVID-19 deaths are so over-estimated that he descends into COVID-19 denialism.
Then here are some of the infection rates he's going to need to match his IFRs from 5/C:
7/C
- Los Angeles (LA) County:
>1900%; >100%
coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
- USA ("Flu-like Surveillance")
>300%
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
- Sweden ("Pregnant Sample"; "Swedish Study")
>200%; >100%
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
- Stockholm ("Swedish Study")
>160%
sll.se/verksamhet/hal…
- Los Angeles (LA) County:
>1900%; >100%
coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
- USA ("Flu-like Surveillance")
>300%
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
- Sweden ("Pregnant Sample"; "Swedish Study")
>200%; >100%
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
- Stockholm ("Swedish Study")
>160%
sll.se/verksamhet/hal…
8/C
Prasad committed the same distortion as Ioannidis, which I, @GidMK, + others pointed out for months:
He used non-representative samples that over-estimated the number of infected people, + thus under-estimated IFR.
Yet:
Prasad committed the same distortion as Ioannidis, which I, @GidMK, + others pointed out for months:
He used non-representative samples that over-estimated the number of infected people, + thus under-estimated IFR.
Yet:
https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1300977321403277312
https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1262956011872280577
9/C
So despite the fact that @GidMK's tone was polite, Prasad still tone trolls anyway, instead of actually addressing @GidMK's valid criticisms of Ioannidis' impossible claims.
It should be clear that Prasad is just evading.
So despite the fact that @GidMK's tone was polite, Prasad still tone trolls anyway, instead of actually addressing @GidMK's valid criticisms of Ioannidis' impossible claims.
It should be clear that Prasad is just evading.
https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1373847678254161921
https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1373852414554435584
10/C
Thus Prasad, Ioannidis, etc., avoid grappling with how wrong they were, or why they kept using impossible claims to undermine policies they disliked (ex: school closure, lockdowns).
They can simply deflect, ignore, tone troll, etc.
And people keep falling for it.
🤦♂️
Thus Prasad, Ioannidis, etc., avoid grappling with how wrong they were, or why they kept using impossible claims to undermine policies they disliked (ex: school closure, lockdowns).
They can simply deflect, ignore, tone troll, etc.
And people keep falling for it.
🤦♂️
11/C
Also, part 7/C is a *non-exhaustive* list of times Prasad under-estimated IFR. If I showed all the times he illegitimately downplayed the severity of COVID-19, I'd be making way more tweets. 😒
For example, the ~0.12% IFR for Wuhan makes no sense.
Also, part 7/C is a *non-exhaustive* list of times Prasad under-estimated IFR. If I showed all the times he illegitimately downplayed the severity of COVID-19, I'd be making way more tweets. 😒
For example, the ~0.12% IFR for Wuhan makes no sense.
https://twitter.com/AtomsksSanakan/status/1364466754337071106
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