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24 May, 6 tweets, 2 min read
@milton_damian Your next steps forward, here in this 2016 talk (hour, 14 minutes ish). About , respecting & valuing different forms of expertise, does it include psychologists respecting opinions from researchers & non-ASD clinicians?
Purely, asking to me, the answer should be yes.

I am watching the video again, as a prominent "PDA is an ASD" supporter told me PDA is scientifically proven to be autism. So reminded about your comment about ABA being scientifically proven...
I.e., that is not how scientific research works...
Asking the question, about psychologists etc respecting other experts opinion, is how certain "leading" PDA experts ignore other's opinion on PDA may not be autism.
Which is ludicrous considering lack of agreement over what PDA looks like. There are several different behaviour profiles & diagnostic thresholds. So little to say whose version of PDA is necessarily anymore valid than another.
Although, I standby the position PDA is definitely not autism and I give many different reasons to support this view.

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22 May
You know it is dodgy viewing PDA to be an ASD, when even its supposedly "leading" experts acknowledge interest in PDA has outstripped its research...

Although, I am wondering how reputable they are as information sources. Sigh.
"In the UK, interest in PDA has increased rapidly over the last ten years, substantially outpacing research on the topic."
Considering: researchers & clinicians ethically should not predispose one outlook over another; conflicting views on PDA & divergent research results on PDA, which undermine PDA is an ASD. "Dodgy" viewing PDA as an ASD is bit of an understatement.
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20 May
@Dmdav1 @KristenBott @Allison66746425 Good question. Depends on which interpretation of PDA, what time in the literature & who you ask...
@Dmdav1 @KristenBott @Allison66746425 The PDA literature acknowledges in 4 different places manipulative behaviour in PDA makes it problematic viewing PDA as an ASD. Some who view PDA to be a form of autism argue PDA behaviour is "social strategic"...
@Dmdav1 @KristenBott @Allison66746425 While adopting an extremely narrow view of what PDA is, they are arguing that the "manipulative behaviours" are scripted and from a limited range of behaviours that are responding to anxiety. These behaviours lack the sophistication seen with callous traits.
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16 May
@KatyBenson20 It is hard to take much from significant swathes of PDA literature. I have learnt to not trust the accuracy or validity of much of what is said by certain "leading" experts on PDA.
@KatyBenson20 My reservations about the quality of much of what is said about PDA, means that the axiology behind my PDA research is different to much of that in currently in PDA literature. Basically, I am skepitcal of anything that assumes "PDA is an ASD".
@KatyBenson20 I can give many examples to justify my skepticism of certain experts scholarship.
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16 May
I guess this is a bunch of people for me to check COIs on over PDA.
pdasociety.org.uk/wp-content/upl…
And yes, I do think this is the standard being applied to PDA. There is no consensus over what it is, how to diagnose it. There multiple schools of thought, divergent behaviour profiles & diagnostic thresholds.
rationaldemandavoidance.com/2021/04/30/a-d…
If we are striving to raise standards of poor quality autism research, such as reporting of COIs, then it is applicable to PDA, considering its contested, controversial status.
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14 May
Something that has been on my mind recently, is that by arguing for a clinical need for PDA based on protecting certain autistic persons from reinforcement based approaches, actually establishes a clinical need for PDA in non-autistic persons too.
The reasons for this is simple. The SEND system is needs based, not diagnostic labels. So by (in their view) establishing PDA is needed for certain strategies, to prevent harm to certain individuals from reinforcement-based approaches...
... under the SEND system that reason would also be applicable to non-autistic persons with PDA. Which are in the academic literature. Remember Newson's cohort has non-autistic persons in it & she argued they all needed same strategies...
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12 May
@realdoll03 There are many issues with it.

I think it never should have been included in autism to begin with. I think it is demonstrable nonsense, that is harmful and discriminatory to view PDA as an ASD. A huge issue, is a lack adequate engagement with Newson's work.
@realdoll03 I have seen many mental contortions to view PDA as an ASD. Like Pervasive Developmental Disorders are not practiced anymore only ASDs do. Issue there is that Newson's PDDs, are NOT the same as DSM-4 ones.
@realdoll03 PDA not conforming to DSM-4 PDDs understandings were not considered by the committee that set the DSM-5 autism criteria. How PDA has to be autism as it social communication issues and RRBIs.
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