I have another probably annoyance with O'Nions et al (2021), as I need to double check the article properly. link.springer.com/article/10.100…
So, O'Nions et al (2021) report that PDA behaviours drop with age as a CYP matures, but only found a weak association.
Bear in mind this like study 5 or 6 showing replicating this result.
O'Nions et al (2021) removed possible participants who took part twice in their two samples.
This is where I am a bit annoyed at it. From what I can tell they were not investigating this replication result, PDA behaviours decreasing with CYP age. We know they developed the EDA-8, to include features that detect PDA independent of CYP age.
If you accept that literature tells us that PDA features decrease with CYP age, you do not investigate EDA-Q items that are consistent with CYP age, because that directly contradicts a known feature of PDA.
Which tells me, that O'Nions et al (2021) were not investigating this feature of PDA. What really annoys me about this, is that if you are investigating this feature in PDA.
And you are screening data corpus for persons who participated in both samples, collected several years apart. It means you potentially have longitudinal data on EDA-Q scores... Admittedly it might not be substantials numbers of participants.
Which means in some capacity they could have further research this aspect of PDA. From my understanding they have not done this. Which is what I need to check the paper again for. I am pretty certain I am correct.
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@SusieBass Being honest, I do not where to begin. The issues with much of PDA narrative is systemic.
As I twitted earlier today are many good reasons for not even viewing PDA as a form of autism. Much/ most of critique of PDA seems valid.
@SusieBass I mean if literature does not justify viewing PDA as an ASD in 2011. The scientific and ethical response, is not to pursue an agenda that tries to create evidence base to view PDA as an ASD. Just so much of it is bonkers.
@SusieBass Another example. So PDA is an ASD supporters often compare growth in PDA, vs historic growth of autism, commenting on comparable milestones. To me comparing Autism's history to PDA is a silly thing to do if you want PDA to be an ASD.
One that has struck me over the last couple of days is the of consideration over what demands cause PDA behaviour in Newson's original research. She just seems to assume that ALL demands trigger avoidance behaviour without collecting data to prove it.
There are just generic statements, like "obsessive" demand avoidance, & "ordinary" demands. Even looking at tools derived from Newson's research do not actually tell us what specific demands cause avoidance behaviours, just a few generic words.
There are plenty of descriptions of the avoidance behaviours, but very little on the actual demands. Even then items covering this in derived tools, indicate it is about non-compliance & other "problematic" behaviours person with PDA expresses.
@milton_damian Your next steps forward, here in this 2016 talk (hour, 14 minutes ish). About , respecting & valuing different forms of expertise, does it include psychologists respecting opinions from researchers & non-ASD clinicians?
Purely, asking to me, the answer should be yes.
I am watching the video again, as a prominent "PDA is an ASD" supporter told me PDA is scientifically proven to be autism. So reminded about your comment about ABA being scientifically proven...
I.e., that is not how scientific research works...
You know it is dodgy viewing PDA to be an ASD, when even its supposedly "leading" experts acknowledge interest in PDA has outstripped its research...
Although, I am wondering how reputable they are as information sources. Sigh.
"In the UK, interest in PDA has increased rapidly over the last ten years, substantially outpacing research on the topic."
Considering: researchers & clinicians ethically should not predispose one outlook over another; conflicting views on PDA & divergent research results on PDA, which undermine PDA is an ASD. "Dodgy" viewing PDA as an ASD is bit of an understatement.
@Dmdav1@KristenBott@Allison66746425 The PDA literature acknowledges in 4 different places manipulative behaviour in PDA makes it problematic viewing PDA as an ASD. Some who view PDA to be a form of autism argue PDA behaviour is "social strategic"...
@Dmdav1@KristenBott@Allison66746425 While adopting an extremely narrow view of what PDA is, they are arguing that the "manipulative behaviours" are scripted and from a limited range of behaviours that are responding to anxiety. These behaviours lack the sophistication seen with callous traits.