so thread on rajendra chola. why isnt he more popular? they ask. the answer lies in the Dravidian zeitgeist which continues to this day. 1/
In general the dravidian movement plays down Tamil kingdoms because it was in the initial stages led by nonTamils. Second the missionaries posited the entire span of Tamil history as 'period of darkness'.
Now the main thing is Tamil kings were *vedic - in particular the Cholas. The Dravidian imperative is Anti-Vedic , Anti-Brahmin, Anti-Tamil-Vedjic. So that doesnt square. next question. Why Rajendra I ?
My hypothesis : Rajendra is problematic for dravidians because he was a military imperialist and more importantly his Commander-in-Chief was Rajendra Chola mummudi chozha brahmna marayan Krishnan Raman -- was a brahmin.
he is likely not the anirudha brahmarayan in ponniyin selvan (he is mentioned in detail n Anbil copper plates now in Leyden).
This commander has given many many grants to temples ( keep in mind the #Dravidian hoax --- நாங்க கட்டிய கோயில்.. வெளியேறு பாப்பானே !! ) including major works in Peruvudayar koil (tanjore big temple) etc.
That is then followed by his son Jananathan who was very successful commander in many campaigns.

So tell u how can #D celebrate Rajendra Chola without also highlighting the tamilbrahmins? Dont look in the wrong places.
So how did brahmin do military work as well as vedic as well as ministers?? glad you asked. You are already on your way out of #D. there was a clear system in place.
Read Deivathin Kural for a excellent historical explanation. From ancient times if brahmin ventured into military and admin work they would be separated out into a different clan .
The ancient Pallava commander in chief Parajoathi munivar alias Siruthondar (conqueror of Vatatpi) was a brahmin but a commander hence he was split out into a different caste called Maamatiyar. So technically NOT a brahmin, same with the others.
Another example is Maanickavasagar.. he was in minster work under a Pandiyan hence he was not technically a brahmin anymore. His group was Amaatiya. Maamaatiya = Military, Aamatiya = MInister.

will post some references (screenshots from the books I read later today) /end
I think this strictness may hve been loosened later vijayanagar kings appointed many brahmin as fort commanders. even swamy39 ancestor was ramaiyan who was commander-in-chief of tirumalai nayakar. but we dont hear the Maamatiya word anymore.

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(in eng) #DravidianTales

Imagine you throw a birthday party for your kid. One guest gifts him a scrabble set. Then your kid becomes a famous author.

The guy who gifted the scrabble demands a royalty. Because ''எங்க பணத்துல ' it is because of my gift.
when mercantile dravidian castes donated to temples, it was for a purpose and in total compliance of the rules in effect at that time. If X didnt donate Y would have.
Today the descendants (claiming to be - dont trust anything in #D but play along) of those groups are driving to throw vedas/brahmins/sanskrit out of temples. And then what? What if those descendants convert and demand to take the temple with them? Ever thought about it?
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1, why cant the locals learn the language. tamilnadu muslims have no such issue with arabic

2, so vedic should be banned? suprabatham etc?

the hue and cry is because this whole racket is a #D tequiyah to disrupt temple liturgy make it vulnerable to an open-ended control mech
again a motte and bailey trick.. if you probe a bit deeper like me, they will back up into "we are only asking this as an option..." but if you pull back they will ""தமிழ்நாட்டு நாடு சாமிக்கு தமிழில் மட்டும்.." (only tamil archanai for gods on tamil soil)
If you back off - they will occupy the bailey and push further. see if you accept the argument then .. 'தமிழ்நாட்டு சாமிக்கு எதுக்கு வடமொழி பெயர் " - அதென்னன சுந்தரேஸ்வரர் மீனாட்சி (மீன்ஆக்ஷி) - அதென்ன நட..ராஜா " .. அப்போ hue and cry பண்ண முடியுமா.
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here .. @governorswaraj this is causing "disaffection against ethnic group". Get this translated by your nearest Tamil speaking lawyer - when faced with real criminal minds we tuck our tails dont we??
Here let me help (you can double check for accuracy with a Dravidian Stock Tamil lawyer )

"Tamils pride.

Encroacher immigrant Gurumurthy burning.. let it burn let it burn.

"
This country is for Tamilians (ie. Dravidian-Tamils they claim to represent all NonBrahmins) .. not for those who came via Himalayan Passes "
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Ok. looks like our $400M Thinktanks wont step up. It is me again to explain the foundation issues while battling #D in Tamizh as well. The announcement by Modi of 27% OBC and 10% EWS quota in UG and PG Medical AIQ. What is this?
So there are three types of seats :
1. State govt seats - domicile only
2. Central institutes (AIIMS,PGIMER,etc) - all india
3. Seats surrendered by states to Onriyam(Centre) - all India
There is already OBC quota in 1 (each state per their own OBC lists) and 2 (AIIMS/JIPMER pondicheretc)

THe issue today refers to the #3 item.
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தகைசால் தமிழர்.. (தகைசாற் தமிழர்?) / தகை.. (தக.. தகுதி ) பெருந்தகை (பெரும்+தகை) விருது யாருக்கு?

🤜 நான் எதிர் அணி. இருந்தாலும் என் கருத்து -> இந்த விருது கண்டிப்பாக **மஞ்சை வசந்தன்** அவர்களுக்கு வழங்க பட வேண்டும்.
நான் சும்மா ட்ரோல் செய்யவில்லை. ஆயிரம் திராவிட-தமிழ் புலவர்கள் பெரிய இடங்களில் பேராசிரியர் போன்ற பதவிகளில் இருந்தும். . இவர் ஒருவர் தான் நாகசாமியின் 'திருக்குறள்' புத்தகத்திற்கு மறுப்பு நூல் எழுதினார்.
கண்ணதாசனின் 'அர்த்தமுள்ள இந்துமதம்' xx மறுப்பு 'அர்த்தமற்ற ஹிந்துமதம்'

தோழர் குணா.. 'திராவிடத்தால் வீழ்ந்தோம்' xx மறுப்பு 'ஆரியத்தால் விழுந்தோம் .. திராவிடத்தால் எழுந்தோம்'

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I committed to blog about the famous #Dravidian "Kasi" saga of Mr E.V.Ramasamy (Periyar) but it may take time I have too much on my plate. So let me just put the evidence up here in interest of public. (In English because of interest expressed) 1/
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