@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton Not just me. @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton & @DesnoyersScott r all members of the MMT community, & also supporters of Red Berets/WW, 2 at least the same degree as the RP critics who have stated opposition to the #FOAF strategy of RB/WW. In addition...,
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott .... I believe there r other recognizable members of the #MMT community, who have been reluctant 2 go public, who are either supporters of FOAF strategy or who think RP has gone 2 far in trying 2 compel belief its strategy 2 the exclusion of FOAF. I can't say whether they will...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott ever come forward, given their understandable reluctance 2 engage in public conflict w/RP leaders, but I urge them to do so now. It is damaging 2 the #MMT community to be associated w/a group that refuses to recognize a basic rule of civil debate, specifically:
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott "I may be wrong and you may be right, and by an effort we may get closer to the truth." & also, whose members frequently fail, in debate 2 recognize other logical fallacies including:
-- ad hominem attacks on people who favor one or another competing solution;...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott -- labeling of solutions you don't like using terminology with negative connotations;
-- personal attacks on those who favor solutions to problems you oppose; and
-- appeals to authority;
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott So, on these grounds alone, I believe that reluctant members of the MMT community should come forward & declare that RB/WW may be right in their FOAF strategy, if they believe that & whether or not they do should state their opposition 2 RP members failures of civility through...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott constant repetition of talking points that have been acknowledged & answered by supporters of RB/WW. 4 example, RP members claim lack of currency sovereignty guaranteed State-level S-P solutions would be fiscally unsustainable. That point has been answered numerous times. Yet,...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott RP members fail to acknowledge the counter-arguments & just repeat that charge. Also, RP members claim most States won't be able to afford S-P solutions. That point is also disputed by RB/WW supporters. But, RP members don't acknowledge the counterpoints, but just keep on ...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott making that claim w/o providing any analysis of whether or not an S-P would likely save money for most or all of the States that implemented it. This point is key because if S-P would save money at the State-level, then passing it would strengthen #fiscalsustainability of States
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott RP members should note that there are degrees of fiscal sustainability 4 currency users. #FS is not a dichotomy. And the claim that most States can't afford S-P is a radical one if most or all States would save money from such a program. A third point often made by RP members...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott is that if S-P is implemented in a State, then the ppl of that State would lose the incentive 2 support #NIMA #M4A? That point has been answered multiple times, But, RP members, just keep on bringing up the same point w/o addressing the counterpoints. That's just harassment.
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott It does not advance discussion. It does not compel belief. Enuff! Again, I urge other members of the MMT community who believe in the importance of civil debate as one of the foundations of democracy 2 recognize that #directNIMA vs. #FOAF strategy debate is not 1 w/a clear...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott winner, so "I may be wrong and you may be right, and by an effort we may get closer to the truth" applies, & to insist that RP members recognize the truth that fallibilism & so appropriate humility applies to further debate. We have different strategies. Let us not interfere w/
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott ... one another's activism work. Supporters of both strategies have #NIMA as their goal. The RB/WW strategy is more inclusive, so we can & will support both RP actions to directly push 4 #NIMA & our own to add State-level S-P actions to the push. RB/WW understands that RP...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott members don't agree w/action toward S-P programs in States, & can't support that because u think that is damaging 2 #NIMA, but we ask RP members 2 just stay out of it, because of the risk that u r in error & we r right. U haven't come close 2 proving that State-level S-P will...
@RedBeretsM4All @shansen614 @LouisTheCellist @jeffchao228 @JENFL23 @GeoDavenport @WholeWashington @M4M4ALL @StephanieKelton @realityisralph @netbacker @SherryWise1 @JefferyDenton @DesnoyersScott damage the prospects 4 #NIMA & u haven't come close to showing that excluding State-level S-P will not harm the prospects 4 #NIMA. So, please have some humility & recognize:

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1) This tweet storm is a lengthy reply to Birrion Sondahl’s “Medicare for All, Not for Some” a critique of efforts working for Universal Health Care programs at the State-level including S-P Programs. See: realprogressives.org/medicare-for-a…
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