Covid (@UCSF) Chronicles,Day 521
I can't resist one more thread on boosters. I see lots of debate on data: about antibody levels, infections vs severe infctns, etc. I don't see much about the big issue: the tension between 2 perspectives – that of individuals vs. society.(1/25🧵)
It's particularly tricky when talking about a global pandemic since (as we've learned, painfully) no person is an island: individual behavior impacts the collective & vice versa. In pandemics, there's also the matter of who comprises the collective: just domestic or global?(2/25)
For those who don't follow healthcare closely, you've stumbled into a longstanding tension in health policy, one that maps pretty well to two different and (mostly) fraternal fields: clinical medicine and public health.

As a physician (though one with public health... (3/25)
... training), I was socialized to see life through the lens of individual patients. When the benefits of a certain strategy (say, a test or a treatment) exceed the harms for a given patient (as determined by sound clinical research), I was taught to offer it. Case closed. (4/25)
Whether MDs should consider "society" in care decisions has long been debated. I remember being influenced by this @NEJM piece published during my training: it argues that "The Doctor's Master" at the bedside must be his/her patient, not society.
nejm.org/doi/full/10.10… (5/25)
The field of public health views its work through a different lens: its primary focus is on the collective health of a society. This leads PH to focus on things like nutrition, clean water and, yes, vaccinations...and not so much on medications, ICUs, x-rays, and the like.(6/25)
Let's not be too binary: good MDs care deeply about society at large; good public health professionals value individual welfare. In many cases, tensions are absent or easily reconciled.

But sometimes they lead to divergent analyses & recommendations. I believe that's...(7/25)
... what underlies the booster controversy, though what comes out in the press & social media sometimes seems like a debate over a few percentage points here and there, or some arcane questions about how to interpret an Israeli vaccine efficacy curve. (8/25)
Against that background, let's consider the facts regarding boosters. I don't think there's much disagreement over the following points (I'll focus on mRNA vaccines in this):
a) The initial performance of Pfizer/Moderna was extraordinary: 95% protection against... (9/25)
...symptomatic infection; >99% protection vs. severe infection (hospital/death).
b) mRNAs have proven remarkably safe – some mild & transient side effects but serious ones are super rare. There's no (credible) debate about whether benefits of mRNAs outweigh risks. They do.(10/25)
c) There's been a decay in the performance of the vaccines over time. Protection against symptomatic infection is much lower, ~55-80% (vs. original 95%), maybe worse for Pfizer. Protection against SEVERE infection has also decayed, though not as much. Most studies show...(11/25)
...it's fallen from >99% to 70-90%. In other words, vaccines still work well, but the protection is less robust. (You may be surprised how tricky it is to pin down these # s – there are lots of statistical moving parts that influence the estimates. Moreover, it's also...(12/25)
...hard to be sure whether ⬇vax performance is due to ⬇immunity, more infectious virus [Delta], or behavioral change [⬇masking]. In the end, though, if all cases are Delta & folks are being less careful, then it may not matter.)
d) Strong evidence points to declining...(13/25)
...efficacy (at least against symptomatic Covid) that begins to worsen roughly 6 months after the second shot of Pfizer or Moderna. Empirical observations (not just the finding of lower levels of antibodies) now show that more... (14/25)
...vaccinated people get infected after 6 months, & we're also seeing more serious outcomes. The latter might be partly a consequence of a bunch of factors lining up: older people got vaxxed early, they are more likely to have marginal immunity, and more likely to have...(15/25)
... a bad outcome. Even so, the fact remains that vaccination is no longer as protective as it once was for elders.
e) A booster of some sort (we're mostly talking about 3rd shot of same vax, but mix-and-match seems to work well too) restores immunity at least to the... (16/X)
... prior (fully vaxxed) level, & that's associated w/ restored protection. How protected & for how long is not yet known.
f) Side effects & complications of boosters aren't appreciably different from those of original shots.
Putting all of that together, the choice to...(17/25)
...boost (when considering benefits vs. risks to a given patient) seem pretty clear to me: boost, at least in people at heightened risk. And there's not just benefit to the person (less likely to have a symptomatic case, severe case, or Long Covid) but there's community...(18/25)
... benefit as well, as a boosted person is less likely to catch & spread.
So what's the debate about?
When viewing through a public health lens, one asks some other (very reasonable) questions:
a) Wouldn't it be better to give a booster dose to an unvaccinated person?(19/25)
At a societal level, answer may be yes. But there's a glut of vaccine in U.S.– plenty for BOTH unvaxxed & boosts. Argument "we should concentrate on vaxxing the unvaxxed" rings hollow: What exactly would we gain in our efforts to vaccinate the unvaxxed if we didn't boost? (20/25)
b) Will seeing boosters dissuade some from getting shots 1 & 2? Perhaps, but allowing folks who did the right thing (vax) to get Covid seems like too high a price.

And to me it's equally likely that seeing vaxxed people get sick would dissuade unvaxxed from their shots. (21/25)
c) Should we be sending extra shots abroad? The "no one is safe unless everyone is safe" argument is powerful. But for at-risk U.S. patients, safety is better assured by boosting immunity than sending a dose abroad. Yes, U.S. needs to lead efforts to vax the world, but...(22/25)
...withholding beneficial boosts here seems like the wrong way to do that. Plus it's politically unfeasible, even for globally-minded folks.
To me, the arguments for boosting high-risk individuals are compelling. The public health counterarguments are important, but...(23/25)
... we could make them for nearly everything we do in medicine: is it fair to treat diabetes, cancer, or stroke in U.S. w/ expensive, effective therapies when non-U.S. people don't have access? Pandemics ARE different, but in the end I'm swayed by the individual ... (24/25)
...perspective, which leads me to favor boosters for those who will clearly benefit. The tradeoffs seem more philosophical than pragmatic – we CAN do boosters while also putting real energy & resources into efforts to vaccinated the unvaxxed, both here & around the globe.(25/end)

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19 Aug
Lots of criticism of new booster plans, much of it re: how much of ⬇efficacy # s are due to confounding vs truly ⬇effectiveness. To me, it seems incontrovertible that vax effectiveness is ⬇significantly, though amount of drop – particularly vs severe cases – is unclear.(1/7🧵)
I'm in support of the new booster plans. This is anecdotal, but in past week I've heard of 2 fully vaxxed people in 70s who died of Covid. With Delta & waning vax effectiveness, this will happen. Even if failure to wear masks contributed to the cases, that'll happen too. (2/7)
We can make two types of errors here: acting too early and acting too late. Given that it'll take 4-6 months to roll out boosters to 200M people, I think we need to skate to where the puck is going. To my reading, the evidence we have regarding waning vax effectiveness... (3/7)
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4 Aug
Covid (@UCSF) Chronicles, Day 504

To me, the most confusing time in the pandemic was May 2020, as we exited lockdown and nobody quite knew what they should & shouldn’t do (clean the mail? touch the dog?).

But now is giving May 2020 a run for its money. (🧵1/25)
Today, a smorgasbord of some of the most confusing issues: Delta, masking, vaccine efficacy, vax mandates, boosters.

Bottom line is that my thinking has changed. Six months ago, I felt like I understood all of the key variables when it came to the virus & vaccines. And… (2/25)
…when I learned that a variable had changed w/ Delta, I assumed nothing else had.

But now I see that it’s best to assume that nearly every parameter is different – usually for the worse. That creates cognitive vertigo, but it matches the facts on the ground. (see below.)(3/25)
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30 Jul
The CDC document that was discussed in @washingtonpost today washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07… is now on line: context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/def…
The WashPo shared it with me before publication for reactions, and I'm quoted. Some thoughts follow. (1/13)
My overall view: we knew much of what's in here, but there's some new information & analysis. In some cases it's brand new, in others it clarified something we knew before. In virtually all cases, the new stuff's a bit worse than I expected. Here are the key findings: (2/13)
1) Delta is much more infectious than the original: they estimate an Ro of 5-9, vs. the 2-3 for the original, which makes Delta "as transmissible as chicken pox." We've been estimating Ro of ~6 for Delta, or ~2x as infectious as original. It may be a bit worse than that.(3/13)
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26 Jul
Covid (@UCSF) Chronicles, Day 495

When I began my tweets 494d ago, it was before we had reliable local, US, or world data. So I focused on data from @UCSFHospitals. Today, we’re awash in data, yet I find my hospital's data still provides a unique lens into our situation. (1/20)
So today, a few data points from @UCSF, with my interpretation. They reinforce the case that the combo of Delta & relaxed behavior is leading to a powerful & worrisome upsurge that requires a change in approach. I knew things were bad, but it’s even worse than I thought. (2/20)
What’s particularly noteworthy about @UCSF experience is that it’s in a city w/ the nation’s highest vax rate. And cases are rising fast in our employees, of whom 93% are vaxxed. (Special thanks to Ralph Gonzales, Bob Kosnik & @SaraMurrayMD for some of the data.) Here goes:(3/20)
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15 Jul
If you're wondering how bad Delta really is, even in highly vaccinated SF (76% of >age 12 fully vaxxed) & still w/ a lot of masking (most folks in stores), we're seeing a pretty steep Covid uptick. Daily cases up 4-fold (10->42; Fig L), hospital pts doubled (9->19; R)(Thread 1/4) ImageImage
Uptick mirrored @UCSFHospitals: Covid inpatients (we were at ~3 pts two-wks ago) now 13 (Fig L). Overall test positivity rate was well below 1%; it's now up to 2.6% (Fig R). Even more worrisome, test positivity rate in asymptomatic pts was ~0.15%, now up 6-fold to 0.9%. (2/4) ImageImage
I don't have vaccinated/unvaxxed breakdown for SF & UCSF – I assume most severe cases are in unvaxxed. But even for vaxxed, w/ more Covid in air expect more breakthru cases. As for me, I'm back to double-mask in stores. Still indoor dining but might abort if trends continue.(3/4)
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13 Jun
Covid (@UCSF) Chronicles, Day 453

1/ I know everybody’s sick of playing 3-dimensional Covid chess. Sorry, but the Delta variant forces us back to the chess board. Ergo, this 🧵.
If you’re fully vaxxed, I wouldn’t be too worried, especially if you’re in a highly vaxxed region.
2/ If you’re not vaccinated: I’d be afraid. Maybe even very afraid.
Why? Let’s start with the things that we know about the current situation, then layer in new information about the Delta (aka, Indian) variant, B.1.617.2 Then we’ll end with what I’d suggest you, and we, do.
3/ Current U.S. situation is good. Cases, hospitalizations, & deaths are falling fast, largely due to our fabulous vaccines. In SF – w/ 70% of people aged >12 fully vaxxed – we’re nearly in a post-Covid world. Everybody’s opening up, including (on Tues) CA. That’s fine…for now.
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